Zak Smith is suing his accusers

[Sacrosanct]

This is why I can't really take seriously some posters' concerns about "career-ending false allegations".

I don't know. Chris Hardwick has his career ended over just accusations. AMC fired him, and the Nerdist removed him (he actually created the nerdist, so that was even more of a blow).

If AMC didn't hire a law firm to investigate, and subsequently clear him of the allegations, he still very much would not have a career.

 

[Gradine]

I don't know. Chris Hardwick has his career ended over just accusations. AMC fired him, and the Nerdist removed him (he actually created the nerdist, so that was even more of a blow).

If AMC didn't hire a law firm to investigate, and subsequently clear him of the allegations, he still very much would not have a career.

He would almost certainly have bounced back, whether he was found to be guilty or not. Nick Robinson still has a career in the games industry and he admitted to stuff way scummier than what Hardwick was accused of.

 

[dragoner]

He would almost certainly have bounced back, whether he was found to be guilty or not.

He is married to a Hearst after all.

 

[Gradine]

He would almost certainly have bounced back, whether he was found to be guilty or not. Nick Robinson still has a career in the games industry and he admitted to stuff way scummier than what Hardwick was accused of.

I'll note that this is not take false accusations lightly or that Hardwick deserved what happened to him; just that the "their career will be ruined!" hysterics are very overblown and do not match up what has actually happened in reality in the least bit

 

[Umbran]

You claimed there were no communist spies, not that the HUAC (House Unamerican Affairs Committee) convicted people.

Dude. The HUAC wasn't McCarthy.

And, in the places McCarthy suggested there were spies... there were none. Actual spies, are... like false accusations of rape and sexual assault - yes, they exist, but they are rare enough that fearing them in every corner is nonsensical.

 

[Sacrosanct]

I'll note that this is not take false accusations lightly or that Hardwick deserved what happened to him; just that the "their career will be ruined!" hysterics are very overblown and do not match up what has actually happened in reality in the least bit

His career WAS ruined, until he was cleared. If he wasn't cleared, he still wouldn't be hired by AMC and he still would be removed from the Nerdist. And Brian Banks lost his career to, while he sat in jail for 5 years on a false rape accusation. And as a pro athlete prospect, after his release, it was too late to recoup after that because his window has passed.

I agree that most of the comments above by them about being scared silly about false accusations are way out of proportion. But it's also not true that false accusations don't result in ruined careers. Because they do.

And as I mentioned above, my family is mixed race. Your comments about false accusations not really having a serious effect, or that they are way overblown and not a reflection of reality, are comments that most black people in the states would find...bizarre to say the least.

 

[dragoner]

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[Gradine]

And as I mentioned above, my family is mixed race. Your comments about false accusations not really having a serious effect, or that they are way overblown and not a reflection of reality, are comments that most black people in the states would find...bizarre to say the least.

This is a very fair point, and one reflects on my own privilege. I will revise my previous statement:

Cishet white male celebrities* basically never face consequences beyond a momentary derailment of their career over either accusations or admissions of sexual misconduct.

*for a given quality of celebrity, based entirely around their field (so folks like Chris Hardwick and Zak Smith apply.)

 

[Sacrosanct]

This is a very fair point, and one reflects on my own privilege. I will revise my previous statement:

Cishet white male celebrities* basically never face consequences beyond a momentary derailment of their career over either accusations or admissions of sexual misconduct.

*for a given quality of celebrity, based entirely around their field (so folks like Chris Hardwick and Zak Smith apply.)

This I agree more with. Although, if you look at cis white men who did lose careers in disgrace, and one who didn’t suffer any negative affects and was even supported, there seems to be a strong correlation with political affiliation. But I’m not going to explain in detail because we’ve already been crossing into politics and I don’t want to make it worse. I’m sure you can figure it out though.

 

[Arnwolf666]

This is a very fair point, and one reflects on my own privilege. I will revise my previous statement:

Cishet white male celebrities* basically never face consequences beyond a momentary derailment of their career over either accusations or admissions of sexual misconduct.

*for a given quality of celebrity, based entirely around their field (so folks like Chris Hardwick and Zak Smith apply.)

We have a mainstream media that wakes up everyday praying to god they can pin something on a white male. That’s why there are so many false accusations that get caught and embarrass the media.