Pathfinder 2E Release Day Second Edition Amazon Sales Rank

[generic]

Glad she is happy and says its doing well.

But lets be a bit fair, do you or anyone else think she would come out and say it wasnt doing well or it was doing terrible?

There are always clues to be found...

Don't hurt me, I'm a Linux lover...

 

[Mistwell]

Glad she is happy and says its doing well.

But lets be a bit fair, do you or anyone else think she would come out and say it wasnt doing well or it was doing terrible?

Since quotes from Lisa Stevens seem important in this thread, Pathfinder 2nd edition is doing great and I am really happy with the way it is selling. And just for the record, Paizo isn't smaller, it is larger than it has ever been. And we are growing even more in the coming months.

I have been involved with quite a few edition change in my 35+ years in this industry. It always takes time for existing customers to take on the new edition. Always. It has nothing to do with how good a new edition is and everything to do with ongoing campaigns that need to be finished up.

And some people will never change, which is also cool. It is great when you are able to give people their perfect game on the first go around and also give them a lifetime of content to play with that game. Actually quite proud that we seem to have done that for quite a few people.

But make no mistake, Pathfinder 2 is doing really well and I expect will continue to grow over the next five years or so. So many new customers in the marketplace that it is the most fertile ground to launch a new edition on in the history of our industry.

It's not like a couple weeks before the Pathfinder MMO took a dive and did mass layoffs management said it was doing great. Oh wait...

Lisa and Erik are good people. But they've never once, ever, publicly said the business was doing anything other than amazing. Even in times when it was not. It's their job to keep the ship heading in the right direction, everyone on course, and everyone confident of the future. They do their job well in that respect.

 

[darjr]

Wait what? Link?

 

[CapnZapp]

Wait what? Link?

Yes, link.

The quote, should said link disappear in the future, is:

Since quotes from Lisa Stevens seem important in this thread, Pathfinder 2nd edition is doing great and I am really happy with the way it is selling. And just for the record, Paizo isn't smaller, it is larger than it has ever been. And we are growing even more in the coming months.

 

[darjr]

Thanks but that was in response to Mistwell

 

[dave2008]

Thanks but that was in response to Mistwell

I don't know about 2 weeks before, but on 9/2/2015 most of the staff for the Pathfinder Online MMO was fired. That is pretty easy to find online.

 

[BryonD]

Define "doing great".
Seriously, I'm also someone who thinks well of Paizo from a fan perspective. But they very much have a stake in this and perception of current popularity has a real effect on future popularity.

The real question remains: how is it doing compared to how PF1 was doing and (more importantly) will it have legs for 2 years from now?

4E truly was doing great at this stage after its release.

 

[generic]

Define "doing great".
Seriously, I'm also someone who thinks well of Paizo from a fan perspective. But they very much have a stake in this and perception of current popularity has a real effect on future popularity.

The real question remains: how is it doing compared to how PF1 was doing and (more importantly) will it have legs for 2 years from now?

4E truly was doing great at this stage after its release.

Contrary to popular conception, 4E didn't do horribly, and Pathfinder only succeeded because it meant support for 3.5-style gaming. Had Pathfinder not been linked to D&D, it would have failed outright. PF1, of course, evolved far past its roots, but it began as "3.5 but better".

 

[Mistwell]

Thanks but that was in response to Mistwell

I don't know where those quotes are from almost 5 years ago. I recall management saying they didn't need the kickstarter funding to finish the game as they had outside investors to complete within 4 years without additional funding - which turned out to be false. I remember probably around March of 2015 management saying everything was going awesome (so I was exaggerating when I said a few weeks - it was within 6 months before the mass layoffs but I don't recall precisely how close to the layoffs they were claiming everything was sunshine there).

My point was everything was not sunshine at Pathfinder MMO, they seemed to have known that for quite a while, but represented to the public that everything was going swell. Maybe that's not on Lisa Stevens. Maybe it was on Ryan Dancey. I don't recall.

 

[BryonD]

define "horribly".

It was a "New York Times" best seller. SUCCESS

It lost fan base steadily. I think that the overall life-cycle of 4E is fairly called horrible by any reasonable standard of D&D brand analysis.

As to PF1E. Shrug. Yes, it is D&D3X. They were quite proud of that. I still have the original "3.5 Thrives" poster. Saying it would have failed without being linked to D&D is like saying you would have never gotten a driver's license if your parents never met. It doesn't even make sense because PF existed AS a continuation of D&D 3X. Without that it would have not existed to either fail or succeed.