Pathfinder 2E Pathfinder 2E's reception?

[dave2008]

This seems relevant to the discussion for a better perspective.

Diamond Comic Distributors Top 100 Games--Full Year 2019

Diamond Ranks Its Top Games of 2019

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Very interesting, but odd that no D&D books are on it. What is diamond publishing?

 

[gss000]

Very interesting, but odd that no D&D books are on it. What is diamond publishing?

From the little research I did, WOTC has a network of distributors stores can chose from. Paizo only uses Diamond as far as I can tell, which likely is the reason for the lack of representation.

 

[JFranklin3000]

Yep, Diamond is a distribution house (like Random House was for TSR for a long time and Penguin Random House distributes Wizards now) that Paizo uses to distribute to both game and book stores. As noted Wizards uses different ones, although Diamond is on their list of Distributors. This does corroborate Lisa Stevens' comment that Paizo is very happy with P2's sales.

 

[teitan]

Diamond owns Alliance Game Distributors here in the USA. Diamond distributes to comic book stores and they do carry WOTC as well but it doesn’t have the same presence in their Previews catalogue. Diamond is essentially a monopoly for comic books having absorbed other distributors as they started to fall in the 90s boom and bust. In general, unless a comic shop doubles as a game store, they gets their RPG products from Diamond. The FLGS most likely gets it from Alliance.

There is a D&D product on the list, Stranger Things.

 

[dave2008]

Diamond owns Alliance Game Distributors here in the USA. Diamond distributes to comic book stores and they do carry WOTC as well but it doesn’t have the same presence in their Previews catalogue. Diamond is essentially a monopoly for comic books having absorbed other distributors as they started to fall in the 90s boom and bust. In general, unless a comic shop doubles as a game store, they gets their RPG products from Diamond. The FLGS most likely gets it from Alliance.

There is a D&D product on the list, Stranger Things.

Stranger Things, to my understanding is a Hasbro product, not D&D in the distribution channel.

 

[darjr]

It is a Hasbro product.

 

[BryonD]

No No No. You are all looking at it wrong. Wrong Wrong Wrong.

It is not Hasbro or WotC. It is Stranger Things or D&D.

This is a Stranger Things product, which has a D&D tie-in. It is not a D&D product with a Stranger Things tie-in.

You are Welcome.

 

[dave2008]

No No No. You are all looking at it wrong. Wrong Wrong Wrong.

It is not Hasbro or WotC. It is Stranger Things or D&D.

This is a Stranger Things product, which has a D&D tie-in. It is not a D&D product with a Stranger Things tie-in.

You are Welcome.

While that is basically true, the pertinent fact was they have different distribution channels

 

[kenada]

You know your group better than me, best to do what they will accept. Personally, I find that initiative and action economy are already very, very gamey. If anything, I personally find adhering to set initiatives / actions more gamey then breaking that up, which seems much more simulationist / RL to me.

Thinking about it now, I wonder whether PF2 would have been a tougher sell if I hadn’t adopted the Unchained action economy in my last PF1 campaign.

Interesting you mentioned "cheating." That term came up in the 5e forum recently and the idea of "cheating" in D&D is just foreign to me. I never worry about that with my players, nor they me (as DM). That is just not the point of D&D for us ( I do realize that is not true for others).

It’s the ‘monsters are built like PCs’ thing from 3e some people like.

 

[CapnZapp]

Calling it "cheating" to mean "monsters use simplified/streamlined rules" is just sooo tired. That train has left. The ship has sailed.

If you yourself DM, it's one thing. Then it's you who's wasting hours on creating NPCs that live for seconds. That's your choice.

But as a player? Demanding that somebody else waste their prep time? That player can just take his or her entitlement and bugger off.