D&D 4E Are powers samey?

[Garthanos]

If you think being locked into two attacks is better than options, I can accept that, even if I don't agree.

That isnt what I meant by "better" I was just slagging on the same being better than samey meme that is now the 5e theme song. (its kind of more joking even my first post in this thread was joke attempt)

And if you look at how I phrased it (ignoring that its mostly humor) what I said could well have meant being the same might have meant that the twin strike could have been written like an extra attack instead of the other way around.

Blurring out tactical distinctions is what is being used to claim 4e is samey and therefore bad... I just did it between twin strike and using an extra attack for an additional hit. (one function)

I fuzzed them out drew them in lighter less contrasty colors say like bright green , and acted like they were meaningless

And you pointed out they weren't.

And what is more you are right they arent when looked at with tactics in mind

 

[lowkey13]

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[Garthanos]

Did I miss warlord threads actually shut down... I have seen people come it to trash on warlords as being "abominations"

 

[Eric V]

People don't have cognitive dissonance for having different opinions.

People have cognitive dissonance for lacking consistency within a worldview and doubling down on that lack of consistency when faced with facts.

 

[lowkey13]

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[Garthanos]

"Cognitive dissonance is a state of tension that occurs when a person simultaneously holds two cognitions, thoughts or beliefs that are psychologically inconsistent with a person's behavior "

this definition from psychology today doesn't even mention disorder let alone brain damage

 

[Eric V]

Congratulations. The bold part? Having an inconsistent worldview? You have just defined the human condition. You get a gold star!

It is really ... odd ... to me, the need to pathologize people you don't agree with. Isn't enough to say that you don't agree with them?

Or ... that they are wrong? Why do you have to ascribe traits of mental illness to them? Isn't that demeaning to both them, and to people that suffer with mental illness?

And, FWIW, here is the basis Wiki entry opening:

In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance occurs when a person holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values, or participates in an action that goes against one of these three, and experiences psychological stress because of that.

Note some key issues you keep eliding-
1. They have to be contradictory positions. Not just inconsistent. Not just different. Not just ones you think are silly. ABSOLUTELY CONTRADICTORY.

2. They experience psychological stress.

But the weirdest thing about all of this? What is the term for someone who keep calling people that they disagree with brain damaged, and when called out on it, doubles down on that position?

....something to think about.

If people who didn't like 4e just said " don't like 4e" that'd be fine.

Instead, we get this bizarre argument that 4e specifically is "too samey" even when all other editions of D&D have as much or more samey-ness, and objectively so; people take pains to point it out. Then, when confronted with those objective details, it becomes "well, that's just my opinion."

There's no argument (premises leading to a conclusion) to engage with. Seems to me, in a discussion, there should be a sound position one could engage with. When an argument seems to be forming, there are contradictions within, and people making the argument just ignore them.

Are you saying this is the human condition? Or mental illness? You seem to be saying both. Are you following the thread? No one has called anyone brain damaged; did you misread, or are you putting words into peoples' mouths?

I have no idea if people are experiencing stress, though it's notable that the level of stress in the definition above isn't specified, so I suppose they could be.

 

[Garthanos]

meh

 

[Eric V]

"Cognitive dissonance is a state of tension that occurs when a person simultaneously holds two cognitions, thoughts or beliefs that are psychologically inconsistent with a person's behavior "

this definition from psychology today doesn't even mention disorder let alone brain damage

Yeah, I thought that was weird.

 

[Garthanos]

I mean I just read a study about students whose religion runs contrary to the reality of their studies and they experience cognitive dissonance its not a disorder, its difficulty coping due to info conflicting with belief.