D&D 5E A use for True Strike

[Asisreo]

With something as trivial as DPR at advantage? That's not something that should need spelled out to anyone.

Trivial? Actually, I'm interested. It's hardly trivial unless you were using a chart or table to reference.

It will be a miniscule difference.

Yeah, I'll want to see numbers. (And calculations)

 

[FrogReaver]

Well, yours was the first assertion of what the number is, so burden of proof would generally sit with you.

That's not how burden of proof actually works. The guy that says no your wrong has some burden to either show what the correct calc is or where your wrong. That would have been an interesting furtherance of the discussion. No you are wrong is never the way to go and is why I replied with - "I'm right"

 

[Mistwell]

Firebolt is a legitimate spell that can be twinned. No rulings about not twinning firebolt.

Incorrect.

Fire Bolt: "You hurl a mote of fire at a creature or object within range"

Crawford: "Twinned Spell is intended to work with a spell that can normally target only one creature"

And from the sage advice compendium:

Crawford: "If the two of you are curious about our design intent, here is the list of things that disqualify a spell for us...The spell can target an object."

Silly ruling? Yes.

A ruling which does disallow twinning Fire Bolt? Yes.

 

[Asisreo]

That's not how burden of proof actually works. The guy that says no your wrong has some burden to either show what the correct calc is or where your wrong. That would have been an interesting furtherance of the discussion. No you are wrong is never the way to go and is why I replied with - "I'm right"

I said you were wrong because the numbers seemed to come quick and without any calculations. I wanted to make sure that the variance of advantage didn't allude you so I had to do the calculations myself which is precisely the reason why it's in good form not to blurt out a number. For all I know, we both could've calculated wrong.

But this thread is not to argue so I concede that my numbers align with yours.

 

[FrogReaver]

Trivial? Actually, I'm interested. It's hardly trivial unless you were using a chart or table to reference.

Yeah, I'll want to see numbers. (And calculations)

Based on this I don't think you are actually capable of calculating them without help, so I'll be happy to help.

Excluding Crits the Advantage chance to hit = 1-(1-HitChance)^2

If you want Crits included just add how much bonus damage you would get on a crit and your chance to crit
Chance to crit is 5%. So chance to crit with advantage is 1-(1-.05)^2 = 9.75%

Additional Crit Damage on Twin Strike setup
0.0975*7 + .0075*7 + .05*7 = 1.715

Additional Crit Damage on Firebolt setup
.05*5.5*2+.05*7*3 = 1.6

1.715 - 1.6 = .115. Crit calculation will increase the damage difference by .115 DPR

I call that miniscule.

 

[FrogReaver]

nce of advantage didn't allude you so I had to do the calculations myself which is precisely the reason why it's in good form not to blurt out a number. For all I know, we both could've calculated wrong

I see. I am just ninja quick

 

[FrogReaver]

Incorrect.

Fire Bolt: "You hurl a mote of fire at a creature or object within range"

Crawford: "Twinned Spell is intended to work with a spell that can normally target only one creature"

And from the sage advice compendium:

Crawford: "If the two of you are curious about our design intent, here is the list of things that disqualify a spell for us...The spell can target an object."

Silly ruling? Yes.

A ruling which does disallow twinning Fire Bolt? Yes.

Interesting. But isn't that the non-official sage advice rulings? Aren't the only official rulings now the ones that make it into the actual sage advice document? Or did this do that?

 

[Umbran]

That's not how burden of proof actually works.

Sure it is. You made an unsupported assertion. You should be prepared to back it up, and show your work if anyone doubts you.

You have to support your own work before you get to insist the other person shows their work.

 

[Asisreo]

Based on this I don't think you are actually capable of calculating them without help, so I'll be happy to help.

Excluding Crits the Advantage chance to hit = 1-(1-HitChance)^2

If you want Crits included just add how much bonus damage you would get on a crit and your chance to crit
Chance to crit is 5%. So chance to crit with advantage is 1-(1-.05)^2 = 9.75%

Additional Crit Damage on Twin Strike setup
0.0975*7 + .0075*7 + .05*7 = 1.715

Additional Crit Damage on Firebolt setup
.05*5.5*2+.05*7*3 = 1.6

1.715 - 1.6 = .115. Crit calculation will increase the damage difference by .115 DPR

I call that miniscule.

No need for the patronizing tone. I think I've shown that I know how to calculate with probability. We can call this setup a mulligan since we both had something wrong. (Sage advice ruling and questioning calculations). I'm also making aware of the fact that, again, these types of calculations breakdown outside of averages since there's a very large gradient because of the amount of dice being rolled.

Another niche could work with a higher level chromatic orb. Depending on your build, the chromatic orb might also have a bonus as your charisma modifier from draconic resilience (at least 6th level).

 

[FrogReaver]

Sure it is. You made an unsupported assertion. You should be prepared to back it up, and show your work if anyone doubts you.

You have to support your own work before you get to insist the other person shows their work.

I disagree. So how about you take some initiative and prove this assertion. I mean the burden of proof is on you after all.