D&D 5E Survey: What should the next Magic the Gathering Campaign Setting be?

[Urriak Uruk]

Tarkir has more setting meat then Kamigawa but it shares two problems, one it to is over shadowed by Kara Tur, and secondly WotC wants a new MtG Asian themed setting, not the old ones, plus Tarkir has that weird 2 time line issue. I don't think they are going back to Kamigawa or Tarkir in mtg, never mind D&D.

Here here are the MtG settings I see getting D&D setting books.

Theros is already getting one, but future AP is possible.
Ravnica already has one, future full AP is possible.

Zendikar
Dominaria
Amonkhet
Ixalan
Lorwyn
Eldraine (after it gets a second card set)
Ikoria (after it gets a second card set)

I don't see the rest happening for various reasons.

No offense, but I'm pretty sure Wizards would take Tarkir over Kara-tur. I don't think Kara-tur has gotten it's own product since what, 1988? I'm not sure Wizard's is willing to update a setting by white guys 30 years ago if they have a setting that was released a lot earlier and is a lot less stereotypical Asian fantasy.

That said, I don't think they're mutually exclusive. But if they were, WotC would pick Tarkir for a book hands down.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Kara-tur features significantly in the background of a character of some significance in Baldur's Gate 2 (2000).

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

Kara-Tur will come back, but not in the first phase. We don't know WotC's plans about how to introduce the future classes and new PC races in old settings. What if the shens need a change of the racial traits, or the "martial adepts/chi channeler" classes? How will be the feedback of the future classes for Oriental Adventures? Maybe they create a new shaman class, mixing the vestige pact magic, and the incarnum soulmelds. Maybe somebody wishes a new race of cute little bunny-girls because he plays one in his favorite Asian MMO. Or to create new dragonborn subraces linked to the lungs (oriental or imperial dragons).

It needs a lot of work because it will be not only for Western fandom, but for potential Asian markets, Taiwan, Sourth-Korea and Japan. Maybe even Hasbro has to talk with Chinese goberment about how to create wulin fiction with a pollitically correct tone.

 

[gyor]

No offense, but I'm pretty sure Wizards would take Tarkir over Kara-tur. I don't think Kara-tur has gotten it's own product since what, 1988? I'm not sure Wizard's is willing to update a setting by white guys 30 years ago if they have a setting that was released a lot earlier and is a lot less stereotypical Asian fantasy.

That said, I don't think they're mutually exclusive. But if they were, WotC would pick Tarkir for a book hands down.

Kara Tur is apart of the Forgottens and really popular, Kara Tur products sell well on dmsguild.

Also what do you think those cultural consults are for, they are to update and improve cultural elements of Kara Tur and Zakhara.

 

[gyor]

Kamigawa is in a different situation, sitting down at 8 on the Rabiah scale. Tarkir is at 4, which puts it in a good place for Magic Settings: ahead of Amonkhet, Kaladash or Ixalan for example. If they go there for Magic, which they likely will eventually, it's a good fit for a D&D book.

Here is what Maro had to say about Tarkir's Magic future in the last Rabiah Scale article:

The Rabiah Scale, Part 2 | MAGIC: THE GATHERING

Mark wraps up his look at how likely he thinks we are to return to each plane Magic has already visited.

magic.wizards.com

That really could use an update IMHO.

And if they revisit Tarkir they might do a D&D book for it after all.

But that will not be next year I think.

And it wouldn't step on Kara Turs toes as much as Kamigawa, so that might not be a problem either.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

Kara Tur is apart of the Forgottens and really popular, Kara Tur products sell well on dmsguild.

Also what do you think those cultural consults are for, they are to update and improve cultural elements of Kara Tur and Zakhara.

Oh no doubt that they'll hire cultural consultants. It just seems more logical to me that if Wizard's had a choice between Kara-tur or Tarkir for a setting book, they'd pick Tarkir. The latter has less cultural baggage and was built with more modern sensibilities of stereotypes, and doesn't require the same level of development to make it suitable for today's POV.

Also I haven't seen one Kara-tur product on DMsGuild. If you know some I'd like to take a look, that might be a fun read.

 

[gyor]

Oh no doubt that they'll hire cultural consultants. It just seems more logical to me that if Wizard's had a choice between Kara-tur or Tarkir for a setting book, they'd pick Tarkir. The latter has less cultural baggage and was built with more modern sensibilities of stereotypes, and doesn't require the same level of development to make it suitable for today's POV.

Also I haven't seen one Kara-tur product on DMsGuild. If you know some I'd like to take a look, that might be a fun read.

You make it out like Kara Tur was just some racist setting, that is unfair. Kara Tur is a far more developed and diverse setting then Tarkir, which btw was also designed by white dudes, the only setting that wasn't was the Plane of Sea and Mountains.

Kara Tur needs tweeks that cultural consultatants can easily give it, not that much needs updating, although the timeline needs updating.

Tarkir also doesn't have a lot of key fantany must haves like fantasy Japan.

And Tarkir would have to wait until the MtG side goes back there for a set in their story line, where as Kara Tur is ready and waiting.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

You make it out like Kara Tur was just some racist setting, that is unfair. Kara Tur is a far more developed and diverse setting then Tarkir, which btw was also designed by white dudes, the only setting that wasn't was the Plane of Sea and Mountains.

Kara Tur needs tweeks that cultural consultatants can easily give it, not that much needs updating, although the timeline needs updating.

Tarkir also doesn't have a lot of key fantany must haves like fantasy Japan.

And Tarkir would have to wait until the MtG side goes back there for a set in their story line, where as Kara Tur is ready and waiting.

I mean, the first Kara-tur product was called Oriental Adventures. Good luck launching a product with that title today. So no I don't think Kara-tur is racist, but it's also not exactly a good representation of Asian fantasy either.

And I only find Tarkir marginally better because there were at least some female writers who helped create it.

If an Asian setting was actually created, I think it would be best served if it was completely original, or at least an old setting handed to Asian developers who have the ability to redesign it top to bottom if they so choose.

Now again, I think if the choice was a setting book for Kara-tur or Tarkir, Wizard's would pick the latter. Especially since there seems to be no interest in an FR setting book at all from their team, and hasn't been one since the SCAG, while there will be two Magic settings in three years.

I could see Kara-tur being featured (if it's redesigned) in an adventure, much like Chult was. But it supplanting any Magic setting from getting a book is frankly ridiculous.

 

[gyor]

I mean, the first Kara-tur product was called Oriental Adventures. Good luck launching a product with that title today. So no I don't think Kara-tur is racist, but it's also not exactly a good representation of Asian fantasy either.

And I only find Tarkir marginally better because there were at least some female writers who helped create it.

If an Asian setting was actually created, I think it would be best served if it was completely original, or at least an old setting handed to Asian developers who have the ability to redesign it top to bottom if they so choose.

Now again, I think if the choice was a setting book for Kara-tur or Tarkir, Wizard's would pick the latter. Especially since there seems to be no interest in an FR setting book at all from their team, and hasn't been one since the SCAG, while there will be two Magic settings in three years.

I could see Kara-tur being featured (if it's redesigned) in an adventure, much like Chult was. But it supplanting any Magic setting from getting a book is frankly ridiculous.

So you just don't use the same title.

And you couldn't do what they did with Chult to Kara Tur, Shu Lung along is bigger and more populated then Chult! There are 10 main region in Kara Tur and more nations.

Its rich and interesting representation of an Asian Setting, its more diverse then most and it comes baked in with a host of advantages that Tarkir or a new untested setting doesn't and their is a huge opportunity to make it even better!

Still perhaps later I will make a seperate thread for Kara Tur so I don't keep high jacking this one.

 

[gyor]

I mean, the first Kara-tur product was called Oriental Adventures. Good luck launching a product with that title today. So no I don't think Kara-tur is racist, but it's also not exactly a good representation of Asian fantasy either.

And I only find Tarkir marginally better because there were at least some female writers who helped create it.

If an Asian setting was actually created, I think it would be best served if it was completely original, or at least an old setting handed to Asian developers who have the ability to redesign it top to bottom if they so choose.

Now again, I think if the choice was a setting book for Kara-tur or Tarkir, Wizard's would pick the latter. Especially since there seems to be no interest in an FR setting book at all from their team, and hasn't been one since the SCAG, while there will be two Magic settings in three years.

I could see Kara-tur being featured (if it's redesigned) in an adventure, much like Chult was. But it supplanting any Magic setting from getting a book is frankly ridiculous.

There were female writers for Kara Tur as well, not that gender has anything to do woth their skill as a writer anyways. One example was the woman who wrote the Malatra region was a woman.