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[BryonD]

Who is craving? Unless you have some insider info that Paizo is unhappy with where they are or that they are hemorrhaging, I dint think you can call it either.

but like someone (you?) said, time will tell.

Wait a second, that word was specific to a comparison to AD&D 2E. Nothing more or less.
It think you misinterpreted.

 

[Aldarc]

When a new game gets people excited, they start playing it right away. There are ALWAYS people pointing to this exception or that. But the needle doesn't move based on those exceptions.

My old group waited for about a year to start 5e because we were still playing our Pathfinder 1 game. They were not too thrilled when initially looking at 5e, but a few of them are now "play nothing but 5e" people. IME, it's not as "right away" as you may imagine. But I suppose that I am an exception that you can easily discount as part of your confirmation bias.

 

[JFranklin3000]

3E had massive immediate adoption.
2E, maybe not. But then again, people talked about the inverse Star Trek rule, so I don't think 2E is a comparison that PF2E is craving.

There was also a huge push back to 3e at first. Which I really think was more the we fear change crowd and had way more to do with this is different I don't like it.

 

[darjr]

@BryonD You said something about PF2e should

Wait a second, that word was specific to a comparison to AD&D 2E. Nothing more or less.
It think you misinterpreted.

Yea, probably.

 

[dave2008]

There was also a huge push back to 3e at first. Which I really think was more the we fear change crowd and had way more to do with this is different I don't like it.

i never made the switch to 3e and didn't leave 1e until 4e came around.

 

[Bravesteel25]

Re Paizo - obviously Lisa Stevens is a highly competent businesswoman. The big Paizo success was securing the Dragon magazine subscription list

I still think this is the best way that Paizo can diversify easily. Work with WotC to produce a physical DUNGEON and DRAGON again. I'd buy into that at once.

 

[BryonD]

My old group waited for about a year to start 5e because we were still playing our Pathfinder 1 game. They were not too thrilled when initially looking at 5e, but a few of them are now "play nothing but 5e" people. IME, it's not as "right away" as you may imagine. But I suppose that I am an exception that you can easily discount as part of your confirmation bias.

What? It takes a bit more than that to claim confirmation bias.
If you think that 5E had a slow reception, then noted.
I stayed with PF at first myself, and then after playing 5E for a bit switched BACK to PF because I like it more.
So no idea why you would suggest I have a pro-5E bias.
But, no, I don't take your anecdote or mine as trumping the data that we have seen.

Of course, you are the guy who was putting words in my mouth back earlier in this thread that were exactly the opposite of what I had actually said. And when I pointed this out to you with quotes you declined to even acknowledge it. So whatever....

 

[BryonD]

There was also a huge push back to 3e at first. Which I really think was more the we fear change crowd and had way more to do with this is different I don't like it.

I don't know man.
I remember that there were SOME people who were opposed to the change. But, then again, this was the days when there were people driving around with bumper stickers which said "Save D&D, kill a Magic Player". D&D was hurting bad.
Around here I had to leave work early to go buy my copy on release day before they were gone. Yes, thats an anecdote, but the chatter online everywhere was huge.
2000 was a really good year for gaming.
I don't know how I can persuade you otherwise, but you may as well be telling me the sun comes up in the west.
I'll just accept that this is your memory of it.
PF2E is at 9 months now. How many 3PP titles do you think we could find that were published in the first 9 months after August 2000?

Edit: I do think a lot of people really just didn't like the crunch heavy approach. It was a big change from prior editions. (I hear feats and powers was along the lines, but I can't speak to that phase myself). It is completely fair to just not like it with a completely lack of "fear".

 

[BryonD]

i never made the switch to 3e and didn't leave 1e until 4e came around.

Well, isn't that completely irrelevant then? No offense at all because having a preference for pre-3E to 3E is totally cool. But do you dispute that 3X and the OGL created the "second golden age" and/or "the glut" depending on how you want to look at it? If you are saying that 3E NEVER got huge, then OK, I'll just leave it there. I really don't think you are saying that.

I think it is safe to say that for the marketplace as a whole, it became massive for some period of time.
So if you NEVER joined in, then it doesn't say anything about the pace and/or timing for people who DID join in.

 

[JFranklin3000]

I don't know man.
I remember that there were SOME people who were opposed to the change. But, then again, this was the days when there were people driving around with bumper stickers which said "Save D&D, kill a Magic Player". D&D was hurting bad.
Around here I had to leave work early to go buy my copy on release day before they were gone. Yes, thats an anecdote, but the chatter online everywhere was huge.
2000 was a really good year for gaming.
I don't know how I can persuade you otherwise, but you may as well be telling me the sun comes up in the west.
I'll just accept that this is your memory of it.
PF2E is at 9 months now. How many 3PP titles do you think we could find that were published in the first 9 months after August 2000?

Edit: I do think a lot of people really just didn't like the crunch heavy approach. It was a big change from prior editions. (I hear feats and powers was along the lines, but I can't speak to that phase myself). It is completely fair to just not like it with a completely lack of "fear".

For the time I think 3e was a great game, but I had to evangelize it to a certain subset of 2e players. And all the same groups I mentioned earlier were there. There was a group of 2e players that 3e was a non starter for. For whatever reason. Same for 1e, 4e, PF1, etc. There is always that group, just a question of how big they are and how long they hold out.

EDIT: And I just got an email from Sandy Peterson for Cthulhu Mythos for PF2 coming out later this year. It doesn't really prove anything but was a funny coincidence.