D&D 5E People didn't like the Psionic Talent Die

[Undrave]

The PHB roster is all above the 70% threshold the Psionic die failed, which is what matters.

Also keep in mind that they have done after the fact approval tests in the past couple years: the PHB options, even unto the Beastmaster, are quite popular by the same metric these options failed.

I'm not saying they don't work or aren't popular... I'm just disputing the notion of 'interesting'

 

[Parmandur]

On this I can agree, but do the concept sin D&D need to parallel those in our world directly? As I understand it, Ki is better represented in the more martial, and less mystical Monk subclasses, but that does not an issue make.

I'm not necessarily saying "throw out the Monk now!"

But if in the future, the Monk did fall on the rocks of popular reception due to cultural appropriation, that might be progress.

 

[Parmandur]

I'm not saying they don't work or aren't popular... I'm just disputing the notion of 'interesting'

Interesting is, indeed, relative. Which is why for WotC, the intersubjectivity of popularity is what counts.

 

[generic]

There's a qualitative and moral difference between bastardizing the myths and legends of your own people or a group of people close to your own ancestry, and doing the same to those of a culture far removed from your own. When doing the latter, it is best to tread a lot lighter. Doubly so if you're a White creator taking inspiration from the myths and legends of BIPOC cultures. And sometimes, you have to ask yourself if what you're writing is really your story to tell.

Have a gander at this article: Asian Representation and the Martial Arts. Section specifically on 5e quoted below:

I understand this argument, and, although I don't particularly agree with every element of it, I know why and how this is averred.

 

[JiffyPopTart]

OD&D, 1E, BECMI.

I dont have numbers in front of me...but I'd be willing to guess that 1e PHB+DMG+Unearthed Arcana has more player crunch than 5e PHB+DMG+Xanathars+Volos+Mordenkainens.

 

[lkj]

My apologies if it's already been posted (somewhere in the 20 pages), but did you folks see this?



Which is to say, it's worth remembering the other part of what Jeremy said in that interview-- that the trick is to find a way to make the folks who want the more complex stuff happy at the same time as making the broader audience happy. They don't just throw out a good idea and never look at it again. Nor do they just completely blow off the more niche audience. They do their best to make both happy.

Maybe they fail. But it's not a foregone conclusion.

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[Undrave]

My apologies if it's already been posted (somewhere in the 20 pages), but did you folks see this?



Which is to say, it's worth remembering the other part of what Jeremy said in that interview-- that the trick is to find a way to make the folks who want the more complex stuff happy at the same time as making the broader audience happy. They don't just throw out a good idea and never look at it again. Nor do they just completely blow off the more niche audience. They do their best to make both happy.

Maybe they fail. But it's not a foregone conclusion.

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It was mentioned yeah

Personally I would use it to model a better Wild Sorcerer.

The Wild Magic die would add to your damage and you would ebb and flow like the Psionic Talent die and you could shrink it to get certain effects, maybe depending on how high it is at?

Would be way more interesting. Maybe call it the 'Chaos Soul' or something?

I also feel it worked fine for Psi Knight and Soul Knife, and the Wild Talent feat concept.

 

[Minigiant]

Again, it's not about synergies and power level. It's about being able to have two different ( Caster)Cleric or two different Bard that don't spam the same move over and over again! Why is my Trickery Cleric slinging gouts of radiant holy flames around? Why is the Storm Cleric automatically a melee guy that doesn't even get any Lightning or Thunder cantrip? Would Shocking Grasp on a Tempest Cleric be broken? What if I like the Bard and want to play another one, but don't want to spam Vicious Mockery again?

Hey I don't agree with it. I am just explaining why they did it.

hopefully they wont do it with psions. Psions, if they appear, will like look like sorcerers but with a new gimmick.

 

[Parmandur]

I dont have numbers in front of me...but I'd be willing to guess that 1e PHB+DMG+Unearthed Arcana has more player crunch than 5e PHB+DMG+Xanathars+Volos+Mordenkainens.

You would guess incorrectly, in that case. The 5E PHB has more character possibilities than all of 1E, combined. It's not even close.

 

[Mistwell]

All evidence point for that to be just wishful thinking on your part.

The only objective evidence we do have says the opposite.