D&D General Two underlying truths: D&D heritage and inclusivity

[Maxperson]

Orcs as others have posted examples are based on multiple real groups. If vistani can be examined. Why should orcs not be.

I've only seen two examples and both were extraordinarily flawed. Do you have an accurate example for orcs?

 

[Maxperson]

Okay. Let's assume someone was offended by orcs. You would change the language describing them, right?

No. I wouldn't use orcs in games I run for that person.

 

[Maxperson]

Never mind.

 

[Xenonnonex]

No. I wouldn't use orcs in games I run for that person.

Good work.

 

[Xenonnonex]

I've only seen two examples and both were extraordinarily flawed. Do you have an accurate example for orcs?

Multiple people have done so. You can look at the other threads.
Less monotholically evil would be a start.
If racist overtones affect more than one group. Discuss with them all. Why should that not be considered.

 

[reelo]

Who? That makes no sense as a response to what you quoted.


Then you are less religious than those I'm asking you to pretend to be. Try putting yourself in THEIR shoes, not your own.

That's like asking to pretend to NOT know how a magician's trick works, when in fact you do. It's pretty much impossible to "make oneself more gullible".

 

[Catulle]

As someone who went through it, it was also absolutely about offensive content. When I was 12 I lived in Michigan and went over to a friend's house. While there I saw this book on his brother's shelf that had a dragon on it and some other monsters underground(1e MM). I loved mythology so I picked it up having no clue what it was. My friend's mother suddenly froze like something bad happened. She was probably afraid that it would get out that her kids had D&D. Before she could say anything, the brother offered to teach me how to play. My friend's mother said she had to ask my father who was a preacher, having converted from Judaism to Christianity. Well, he said no because there were things in it that were of the devil. It had nothing to do with crime at all.

Some of it was. A lot of it were just grass roots religious people not wanting their kids or other kids to risk their souls on a game with demons, devils and such in it.

Reducing all of them to "Satanic Panic" belittles their beliefs and tosses aside offense. If it's wrong to do that to those who see orcs as offensive due to white supremacy, it is also wrong to toss the feelings of the religious people aside.

To be completely clear, are you equating your struggles with hobby times with actual law-enforcement backed persecution based on no evidence, sInce the first is "my parents were mean to me" vis a vis the second being "George Floyd was murdered in plain sight of the world"?

The satanic panic was still not about offensive content. People (not you, Karen) were persecuted over it. You were not the hardest done by. This was a thing that cost lives and families and trying to dress it up as it being hard for you to play D&D is, frankly, grotesque. Your parents being dickheads is not equivalent to falsified accounts of sexual abuse.

 

[Maxperson]

That's like asking to pretend to NOT know how a magician's trick works, when in fact you do. It's pretty much impossible to "make oneself more gullible".

Trying to see from someone else's point of view is pretty basic.

 

[Maxperson]

To be completely clear, are you equating your struggles with hobby times with actual law-enforcement backed persecution based on no evidence, sInce the first is "my parents were mean to me" vis a vis the second being "George Floyd was murdered in plain sight of the world"?

No. Not even close, but that would be obvious if you were reading my posts to understand and not retort.

 

[Xenonnonex]

Trying to see from someone else's point of view is pretty basic.

We have been asking people to do this. Yes.