D&D General (Anecdotal) conversations with Asian gamers on some problems they currently face in the D&D world of RPG gaming

[Sadras]

This association is disingenuous. To the point of baffling. No one is doing that. Only you are. Dismissing opinions. And making absurd connections.
Not everyone thinks alike. Not everyone has the same experiences. Should be at least heard from everyone. Not casually dismissed. And accusations made about. Stop trying to speak for others.

I appreciate that your opinions did not take 26 hours to summarise and that you weren't paid for them.

 

[Xenonnonex]

I appreciate that your opinions did not take 26 hours to summarise and you weren't paid for them.

Okay. Great.

 

[FrogReaver]

This association is disingenuous. To the point of baffling. No one is doing that. Only you are. Dismissing opinions. And making absurd connections.
Not everyone thinks alike. Not everyone has the same experiences. Should be at least heard from everyone. Not casually dismissed. And accusations made about.
Stop trying to speak for others.

Factually - some here dismissed the opinions of all asians not finding the material offensive by stating they were just grinning and bearing it.

 

[Voadam]

#5. No more white washing. I pointed this out before, but I don't think anyone took notice, and most Americans may not anyways. Many companies create a class called the Ninja, or the Samurai, or another class based upon an Asian notation (such as a nobility, a group, an occupation, or otherwise). However, in many instances it is something that will normally be used by a Non-Asian background or group. It is accepted that they'll have Elf Ninja's or Western style samurai. No cultural notation is made regarding what these classes originally were in a historical and cultural reference. It is taking names out of context and putting them into a game term.

Some felt it was respectable that people would give such adherence to things such as the ideas of Ninjas. Some also felt that while it was notable the fascination in the West with such terms, stealing the term and using it to be completely out of context and ignoring the larger culture behind it was normally seen as less desirable. If one is going to take cultural aspects, define it in regards to the culture one is taking it from.

I find this one interesting.

Basically do not use our stuff in D&D outside of its context. "I don't want Elven ninjas in generic D&D."

I've also heard arguments going the other way. That including Asian stuff only in an Asian-context is inappropriate because it exoticizes Asian stuff and says that it is not appropriate to put in generic D&D the way a Christian crusader template cleric or a Celtic pagan template druid can be used as a priest of a Greek or Asian or Elven God.

Basically do not limit use of our stuff in D&D to its context. "I want Elven ninjas in generic D&D to be as much of an option as Elven druids."

 

[Xenonnonex]

Factually - some here dismissed the opinions of all asians not finding the material offensive by stating they were just grinning and bearing it.

Factually - Asians are raised to grin and bear things. This does not mean opinions are dismissed.
Do not accuse someone of saying something they did not say. Ever.

Opinions you want considered relevant. Stop dismissing opinions. Stop making things up. Stop trying to speak for others.

 

[FrogReaver]

Factually - Asians are raised to grin and bear things. This does not mean opinions are dismissed.

Suggesting a person has a different opinion than what they are stating meets the definition of dismissive.

Do not accuse someone of saying something they did not say. Ever.

I hope you understand that goes both ways.

Opinions you want considered relevant. Stop dismissing opinions. Stop making things up. Stop trying to speak for others.

It's offensive that you accuse others of doing that.

 

[Xenonnonex]

Suggesting a person has a different opinion than what they are stating meets the definition of dismissive.

People have different opinions. Repeatedly said. Many times. Whether you want to listen to that. Or listen what you want to is up to you.

I hope you understand that goes both ways.

It's offensive that you accuse others of doing that.

Even after repeated posts. You and Sadras have continued to make offensive connections. Accusations. Dismissals.

 

[FrogReaver]

People have different opinions. Repeatedly said. Many times. Whether you want to listen to that. Or listen what you want to is up to you.

Neither of us have denied that. Maybe you should stop speaking for us?

 

[Immeril]

I find this one interesting.

Basically do not use our stuff in D&D outside of its context. "I don't want Elven ninjas in generic D&D."

I've also heard arguments going the other way. That including Asian stuff only in an Asian-context is inappropriate because it exoticizes Asian stuff and says that it is not appropriate to put in generic D&D the way a Christian crusader template cleric or a Celtic pagan template druid can be used as a priest of a Greek or Asian or Elven God.

Basically do not limit use of our stuff in D&D to its context. "I want Elven ninjas in generic D&D to be as much of an option as Elven druids."

Now there's an idea for a multi-video Youtube series! 'Druids Read... AD&D Moonshae'

 

[Xenonnonex]

Neither of us have denied that. Maybe you should stop speaking for us?

Stop making baseless accusations. Stop making false connections. Stop assuming. Disingenuous that is.

And you are innocent there? LOL

I have not made false accusations in posts.