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[Tales and Chronicles]

Yugoloths are all about the money. CREAM. They actively pursue the status quo to keep the money train going. Yugoloths will actively disrupt world domination because no war means no war profiteering.

And that's all good. For my part, I think that having them based on greed is boring, I just cant understand (heh!) why a race would need money when they live in the hellhole they are. But then you have Mammon whose whole deal is greed, and is a Devil lord.

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

And that's all good. For my part, I think that having them based on greed is boring, I just cant understand (heh!) why a race would need money when they live in the hellhole they are. But then you have Mammon whose whole deal is greed, and is a Devil lord.

Well, Money is only one aspect of Greed.

(and also, I would say that Mammon is more Gluttony than Greed, but that might be a subjective thing.)

 

[Minigiant]

And that's all good. For my part, I think that having them based on greed is boring, I just cant understand (heh!) why a race would need money when they live in the hellhole they are. But then you have Mammon whose whole deal is greed, and is a Devil lord.

I think the difference is goals.

Mammon is filthy rich and his greed is insatiable. However he wants the wealth for a reason: to topple and replace Asmodues.

There is no goal for the daemons. They already see themselves as perfect and the state of the world as near perfect. So all there is left is to gather wealth for selfishness sake.

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

Well, Money is only one aspect of Greed.

Still, I have a hard time understanding how a creature that is all about envy and their needs and wants can be described a dispassionate or apathetic.

Anyway, its just a matter of preference. I love to have a place in the great wheel cosmology for far-realmsian creatures and I personally think the yugoloth fits the bill without too much modification to their lore.

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

I think the difference is goals.

Mammon is filthy rich and his greed is insatiable. However he wants the wealth for a reason: to topple and replace Asmodues.

There is no goal for the daemons. They already see themselves as perfect and the state of the world as near perfect. So all there is left is to gather wealth for selfishness sake.

Well that's literally the exact opposite of what I was thinking.

Mammon wants money because he just wants money. The Yugoloths want money (or I guess in their case, souls) because it gives them more power, and that's what they're greedy for.

 

[Haldrik]

So only the original interpretation of a subject matters? You can't ever reclaim something ever?

When it comes to this racist supremacist crap, it is extremely difficult to reclaim something.

Think of all the contaminated heritages ruined by N*zis appropriating them: Roman military salute, Asian swastika, and so on.

Even being European is now suspect. Nevermind being German.

A burning cross, or a white hood, conveys supremacist connotations.

Even being a White American is suspect.

Perhaps it will take generations before these symbols and identities can be free from the damage done by supremacists.

If only there would be a reallife Remove Curse spell!

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

Still, I have a hard time understanding how a creature that is all about envy and their needs and wants can be described a dispassionate or apathetic.

Anyway, its just a matter of preference. I love to have a place in the great wheel cosmology for far-realmsian creatures and I personally think the yugoloth fits the bill without too much modification to their lore.

I still say Pathfinder Daemons are the best interpretation of Neutral Evil Outsiders.

Beings embodying different forms of death and want to every thing to die, including eventually, themselves.

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

When it comes to this racist supremacist crap, it is extremely difficult to reclaim something.

Think of all the contaminated heritages ruined by N*zis appropriating them: Roman military salute, Asian swastika, and so on.

Even being European is now suspect. Nevermind being German.

A burning cross, or a white hood, conveys supremacist connotations.

Even being a White American is suspect.

Perhaps it will take generations before these symbols and identities can be free from the supremacist connotations.

If only there would be a reallife Remove Curse spell!

So asian people using swastikas are racist until proven otherwise?

Being german means that you are naturally predisposed to be a horrible person?

living in a country means that people should take a second look at what your are doing just in case it could be racist?

I'm... honestly speechless. The only person who I think could be more prejudiced is is an actual racial supremacist. As I said in another thread (I think even this one) the solution to prejudice is not more prejudice.

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

I still say Pathfinder Daemons are the best interpretation of Neutral Evil Outsiders.

Beings embodying different forms of death and want to every thing to die, including eventually, themselves.

Yeah, I also prefer the PF's outsiders to the D&D ones. The CN Protean are so much cooler than the Slaadi!

 

[Wishbone]

So asian people using swastikas are racist until proven otherwise?

Being german means that you are naturally predisposed to be a horrible person?

living in a country means that people should take a second look at what your are doing just in case it could be racist?

Denazification was a thing that happened to prevent that very sort of thing from happening again, which I guess isn't against your point but feels important to add in to the conversation.