Wishbone
Paladin Radmaster
Yeah, I also prefer the PF's outsiders to the D&D ones. The CN Prometheans are so much cooler than the Slaadi!
Renbuu at least seems like a cool guy.
Yeah, I also prefer the PF's outsiders to the D&D ones. The CN Prometheans are so much cooler than the Slaadi!
But do taking steps to prevent something from happening again mean that germans are naturally predisposed to be genocidal maniacs? Especially since going by events going on around the same time that problem seems to be more of a "human being" thing rather than a "german" thing?Denazification was a thing that happened to prevent that very sort of thing from happening again, which I guess isn't against your point but feels important to add in to the conversation.
But do taking steps to prevent something from happening again mean that germans are naturally predisposed to be genocidal maniacs? Especially since going by events going on around the same time that problem seems to be more of a "human being" thing rather than a "german" thing?
So asian people using swastikas are racist until proven otherwise?
I have a hard time following the outrage train on this one.
We are discussing the place of aberrations in D&D because someone MIGHT connect aberrations to the Mythos and because the creator of the Mythos was racist, they might get offended by that.
Yet giving stats (including an alignment) to some real religious figure in neopaganism is ok, because comic book movie.
If there is one constant I find among all these threads, it's that I can never predict what things will incite torches and pitchforks and what will be greeted with a collective shrug.
Look, as someone who has argued pretty strongly for pulling Lovecraft's name out of the game, I have to say, I am also in the boat thinking that this is going too far.
Number one, beholders, as a specific example, aren't inspired by anything Lovecraftian, despite being aberrations. You can read the entirety of Lovecraft from front to back and not see a single reference to a beholder or anything resembling beholders. So, why would the Far Realms, where beholders are supposed to come from, (a "beyond known reality - a trope that Lovecraft certainly didn't invent) be problematic? Mind Flayers are Lovecraftian in the sense of being tentacle horrors, but, again, Lovecraft hardly has a monopoly on that.
Cthulhu is mentioned (AFAIR) a single time in the PHB under GOO warlocks. Pull that reference out and everything is fine.
The key here is SMALL changes. We don't need to completely rewrite things because, well, that's not answering specific issues. "Inspired by Lovecraft" is an unprovable position. Mind Flayers are just as much Japanese Hentai anime as they are Lovecraft. Sure, they are inspired by mythos stories (Brian Lumley was the inspiring author - google) but, again, Mythos stories aren't really the issue. I want to keep those - or at least those stories that aren't grounded in racism. I would just rather that direct references to Lovecraft were removed.
So asian people using swastikas are racist until proven otherwise?
By doing that, aren't you taking away from them more so than the nazis?Missed this first part—as a Jewish person my gut reaction would certainly be to feel threatened by someone displaying a swastika. I'd accept it depending on the exact nature of representation and religious or cultural significance but a lot depends on the context and on how tone deaf the conversation is to my concerns. Also, if I'd be comfortable enough to even figure out the intent behind wearing a swastika is really going to depend on them.
I know that, and honestly, just letting nazis have it means that you're letting the nazis win.I hate to tell you, but there are many Hindus who have gotten in severe trouble for using the sauwastika which has been one of their holy symbols for centuries, because the Nazi's took it, literally twisted it (the sauwastika sits on an edge, the swastika on a point) and it become globally known.
And without some pretty extensive educating, there is really no way to "reclaim it" in the public conscious.
I know that, and honestly, just letting nazis have it means that you're letting the nazis win.
By doing that, aren't you taking away from them more so than the nazis?
The swastika, as a symbol, has been around for literally thousands of years and is a major bit of iconography, particularly for eastern religions like Buddhism. By automatically assuming that someone with a swastika is a white supremacist, you are taking it away from people who have been using it for far long, and for far better reasons than then nazis.
And honestly, there is a fairly easy way to tell if someone with a swastika is a white supremacist. It's right there in the name, unless they are aggressively stupid.
Honestly?Firstly, I wanted to point out that this isn't a simple abstract conversation for me and it is far more affecting for me than it might be for anyone who doesn't have a relationship with the symbol of the Nazi party specifically targeting people who shared their religious identity and cultural background. Just to be clear on that.
We should never discount the power of aggressive stupidity when considering why someone may hate another person.
I'm not automatically assuming the person is a white supremacist. I'm recognizing the display of a symbol that has been coopted by a prominent white supremacist group and making a determination based on context about my own safety and proximity to someone who may wish to do me or my family harm.