Level Up (A5E) What is the vision of the high level fighter?

[FrogReaver]

Does not matter spells slots from earlier editions were being expressly talked about

Why doesn't it matter?

 

[Minigiant]

A barbarian should need to rage.
A paladin should need to smite.
A ranger should need to... well, whatever they can do!

It's mark. Ranger mark. Hunter's Mark. Demon Curse mark. Beast Mark. Marky Hamill. Mark Twain. etc

 

[Garthanos]

Why doesn't it matter?

what does the 5e patch job contribute to a discussion of slots in 3e and earlier?

 

[FrogReaver]

what does the 5e patch job to a discussion of slots in 3e and earlier?

To show an alternate way for spells to be done that don't require the weird logical gymnastics of previous editions to explain magic?

 

[Minigiant]

Okay. Here'sanother idea.

Called Shots.

What if called shots is a high level fighter thing.

Everyone uses HP to defend themselves by dodging, parrying, blocking, using raw flesh, and just being lucky.

Except the 15th level fighter can go for the eyes and your HP cannot do jack squat about it. Your ACand CON save better be good or you are losing an arm vs Hercules. Paris didn't get lucky, he shot Achilles with a called shot that bypassed HP.

All those famous fighters of myth and legend?
Decapitation. Decapitation. Decapitation. Decapitation. Decapitation. Decapitation. Decapitation
Stab through heart. Stab through heart. Stab through heart. Stab through heart. Stab through heart. Stab through heart.
That's how they get ya.

 

[FrogReaver]

Okay. Here'sanother idea.

Called Shots.

What if called shots is a high level fighter thing.

Everyone uses HP to defend themselves by dodging, parrying, blocking, using raw flesh, and just being lucky.

Except the 15th level fighter can go for the eyes and your HP cannot do jack squat about it. Your ACand CON save better be good or you are losing an arm vs Hercules. Paris didn't get lucky, he shot Achilles with a called shot that bypassed HP.

All those famous fighters of myth and legend?
Decapitation. Decapitation. Decapitation. Decapitation. Decapitation. Decapitation. Decapitation
Stab through heart. Stab through heart. Stab through heart. Stab through heart. Stab through heart. Stab through heart.
That's how they get ya.

I mean it's still a combat boost to a primarily non-combat problem.

 

[Derren]

How did Pathfinder 2 do it? I constantly hear that wizards are underpowered there and that martial classes rule...

 

[FrogReaver]

How did Pathfinder 2 do it? I constantly hear that wizards are underpowered there and that martial classes rule...

pf2 wizards seems weaker than 5e wizard. So I’d say a need to wizard. At least early game.

 

[Minigiant]

I mean it's still a combat boost to a primarily non-combat problem.

Well what's the noncombat problem?
Sound more like that there are skills missing.

Rangers' iconic out of combat proiciencies are Survival, Nature, Stealth, Preception, and traps. Mostly survival. And traps lack a proficency in 5e.
Barbarbarians iconic OOC proficiency is Athletics and Intimidation.
Paladins just know religion and lie detection.

So what's fighter's
Is the problem that the Fighter's skills and tools are missing from the game?

 

[FrogReaver]

Well what's the noncombat problem?
Sound more like that there are skills missing.

Rangers' iconic out of combat proiciencies are Survival, Nature, Stealth, Preception, and traps. Mostly survival. And traps lack a proficency in 5e.
Barbarbarians iconic OOC proficiency is Athletics and Intimidation.
Paladins just know religion and lie detection.

So what's fighter's
Is the problem that the Fighter's skills and tools are missing from the game?

no one said the ranger or barbarian or paladin out of combat stuff wasnt a problem. Not sure why you would compare a fighter with out if combat problems to other classes that have them too, albeit to a slightly lesser degree.