Primordial stats


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dave2008

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Ahh, I thought Orcus was an ascended mortal and Demogorgon was the first Tanar'ri, created by the obyrith Pale Night.
It all depends on what lore your looking at. Different editions and different stories in the same edition have different lore.

But what I stated as the original 4e Lore. From the 4e MMv1:
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Are you looking for 4e or 5e stats? Some of the primordials got official stats in 4e, but none have in 5e. I am in process of updated my Epic Updates to a new thread: 5e Monster Updates: Mythic, Epic, and Hardcore Monsters , and I will eventually add many of these. As the lore in 4e didn't actually match the stat blocks (Maul-Tar was lvl 35, yet one of the 3 gods it took to capture it was lvl 36 and Moridan was supposedly lvl 40 ), I am giving some primordials a huge boost to match the original 4e lore better.
You're keeping the colossal parts for the primordials right? That's what really made Encounter a difficult.
 





Could someone give me stats for primordials?

Also called the Dawn Titans (DR394, p.54), primordials are elemental creatures of enormous power born from the Elemental Chaos. They shaped the world out of the Elemental Chaos and the gods gave it civility and permanence. When the primordials attempted to destroy the world to began again the process of creation and destruction, the gods warred with them for control of the new creation. The gods eventually triumphed, and primordials now slumber in remote parts of the Elemental Chaos, rage in hidden prisons, or float, lifeless, through the Astral Sea. (DMG, p.150)
  • Known living and free Primordials
    Akadi: The Queen of Air. Elemental lord worshiped as goddess of the sky.*
    Alu Kahn Sang: The Wind of Destruction, a vast, raging dust storm in the Elemental Chaos.
    Atropus: The World Born Dead, a vast primordial of undeath, spawner of the atropals.
    Grumbar: The Lord of Earth. Elemental lord worshiped as god of the earth.*
    Iktha-Lau: The Ever Empty, primordial of nothingness, uncaring and remote.
    Istishia: The Lord of Water. Elemental lord worshiped as god of water.*
    Kossuth: The Lord of Fire. Elemental lord worshiped as god of fire.*
    Murgremir: The Rotting Hill, primordial of muck and decay that haunts the Blackmire.
    Ty-h'kadi: The Prince of Thunder and Lightning, a storm primordial, rival of Heur-Ket.
    Ulctilantilokla: Only partly real. Said to have germinated from the seed of the multiverse's first dream.
*Added the Elemental Lords as they are worshiped in the Nentir Vale, according to Heroes of the Elemental Chaos.
  • Known living but bound Primordials
    Athuam: The Falling Sky. A mineral primordial trapped in Pluton by Nerull during the Dawn War. He created the avalanche dragons. (DR424, p.7)
    Balcoth: The Groaning King. It was defeated in the Dawn War by the combined effort of Bahamut, Bane and Moradin. He survives, headless, as a monstrous face of ash and cinder. (DU178, p.85)
    Golden Monolith: A primordial presently petrified on the astral dominion of Erishani. (SotAS p.108)
    Heur-Ket: The Storm Unabated, storm primordial thought to be bound in Hestavar.
    Hoshotath: The Flaming Sea, a primordial made up of equal parts fire and water. He is conflicted and unpredictable. Sealed within a "prison of dreams". (DU186, p.22)
    Mual-Tar: The Thunder Serpent, bound by chains forged by Moradin.
    Piranoth: The World Mover, primordial of earth, fire and frost; patron of giants.
    Shangar: The Uncrowned, a primordial of fire.
    Sisanthak: The Endless Winter, ice primordial trapped on the astral mote Frostburn.
    Solkara: The Crushing Wave, primordial of crushing depths and icy cold defeated by Melora, Kord, and Sehanine; imprisoned in a glacier.
    Storralk: A primordial of stone and earth, that challenged Demogorgon and was defeated. He was trapped in Demogorgon's throne with a ritual that inflicts him endless agony. Its blood spawned the ettins. (MM2, p.46)
    Suulkar: A primordial of oceans and water, nearly killed by Kord during the Dawn War. He was sealed by Kord in the Frozen Spire amid the Sea of Howling Souls, in the Elemental Chaos. (RotG, p.91)
    The Abnegator: A former primordial who volunteered for Torog's service, he was tortured and then transformed into the Restless Heaps region. (Underdark, p.159)
    Umboras: Lord of Rimefire, lured to Pandemonium by the Raven Queen and trapped there.
    Vezzuvu: The Burning Mountain, volcano primordial; trapped in a field of radiance.
    Vorsheen: Fire primordial trapped on the astral mote Frostburn.
  • Known living but dormant Primordials
    Bryakus: The Colossus of Chaos, the Father of Fear (MV, p.175). He was sundered into many pieces in the Dawn War; its blood spawned all hydras.
    Castanamir: The Shattered Khan, patron of storm and cloud giants, entombed in sea.
    The Queen of Chaos: Demonic primordial or obyrith now dormant in the Steaming Fen, an Abyssal layer.
    Tziphal: The Mountain Builder, primordial of folding earth, petrification and volcanoes; created many races with power of petrification.
  • Known Primordials with unknown status:
    Annam: The First Creator. (DR394, p.53)
    Alyolvoy: An obscure primordial of water and mud.
    Deluvius: Primordial who created the Deluvian Hourglass, a powerful artifact with power over time. (DU159, p.24)
    Garash: A primordial that vanished in the Abyss seeking the Shard of Pure Evil.
    Miska: The Wolf Spider, demonic primordial banished by the Wind Dukes of Aaqa using the Rod of Seven Parts. (Demon, p.9)
    Kir-Yagh: The Queen of the Burning Mountains. (DR380, p.76)
    Nehushta: Primordial who created the fortress of Glaur.
    Uzrith: An obscure primordial of earth and mud.
Dead Primordials
  • Dkar: A storm primordial, killed in the Dawn War. His corpse became a chain of islands in the Elemental Chaos, known as the Red Shoals of Dkar, that are trapped within an eternal storm (DU174).
    Erek-Hus: The King of Terror, he clove lo in two, but then was killed by Bahamut and Tiamat.
    Gargash: An Underdark primordial that cursed Torog before the god killed him.
    Haemnathuun: The Blood lord and creator of abominations; its corpse floats in the Astral Sea.
    Ilmeth: A primordial who regretted the lives he took and was slain by his own followers in the Dawn War. It exists as a vestige now. (AP, p.79)
    Lormoch: The Master of Tides, long-dead primordial.
    Nekal: Of the Glowing Deep, water primordial slain by Pelor, Kord, Bane and Sehanine.
    Nihil: Primordial of unbeing, defeated by Bahamut.
    Ophan: A snake-scaled primordial who, according to obscure legends, was defeated by a god only known as the "Bright One". Her tomb is believed to be located below Fallcrest. (DR365, p.62-63)
    The Prime Architect: A primordial who aided the other primordials during creation by distilling the elemental energy of the Elemental Chaos into the four basic elements to create planets. He died after he protected the universe from an invasion of Mak Thuum Ngatha. However, after being exposed to the energies of the Accordant Expanse, his body disintegrated into the first modrons. He survived as a vestige until four modrons fused with him to become the first Primus. (DR414, p.8)
    Ramenos: A primordial whose carcass forms the 53rd layer of the Abyss. (Demonomicon, p.77)
    Sehil: Primordial killed by Kord in last battle of the Dawn War.
    Shax: The Destroyer, dead primordial of the sea; exists as a vestige now.
    Syvexrae: The Queen of Stone, petrified; her body serves as the palace of Doresain.
    Tabrach-Ti: The Queen of Bronze, the first primordial to fall in the Dawn War; slain by Bane.
    Timesus: The Black Star, a primordial of dissolution and entropy. He was more powerful than most primordials, and was only killed by the combined might of several gods. (E1-E3: DR; KoG; PoU)
    Throan: Aquatic primordial killed by the obyrith Dagon. (Demon, p.154)
    Volunt: sent into the Shadowfell, where the shades there tear him apart, leaving only the Darkreach Mountain Range behind. (S'fell p.80)
    Zurtharak: The Vein of Iron, an earth primordial defeated by Moradin.
    An unknown oceanic primordial who, so it's dragonborn followers believe, was killed when the astral dominion of Celestia was dropped on it like a boulder. (SotAS, p.48)
    An ancient and forgotten primordial whose essence was used to create the Forge of Four Worlds. (E3, p.12) -- potentially, this primordial is Garash.
    A primordial of manifest dissolution defeated by Zutwa. (AP, p.73)
    A primordial of ice destroyed by the World Serpent and Everflame during the War of Winter. (PrP, p.129)
To simplify things:
Greater gods are CR 36-40 (soft limit) with 3 mythic stages, 4 in realm
Then there are elder gods, overgods, etc.
Primordials range a lot, but they average in the 40s, with ?4 mythic stages and 5 in their realm. They also have a "colossal parts" trait where they have one main stat block and multiple smaller ones, because they often don't fit even the Colossal size trait.
I like to label a Colossal Parts creature "Titanic".
 
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