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[delph]

83. Two hands fighting with melee weapons dosn't count ability modifer for offhand attack with bonus action. But what about monk unarmed fighting? Or some races with natural weapons (tabaxis, minotaurs,...)

 

[Paul Farquhar]

83. Two hands fighting with melee weapons dosn't count ability modifer for offhand attack with bonus action. But what about monk unarmed fighting? Or some races with natural weapons (tabaxis, minotaurs,...)

You cannot make an off-hand attack if you do not have two weapons equipped. Unarmed strikes do not count. This includes things like tabaxi claws, where you see the text "can be used to make an unarmed strike". The monk's bonus action attack from Martial Arts is not an off-hand attack, so the ability score modifier to damage applies.

 

[MarkB]

83. Two hands fighting with melee weapons dosn't count ability modifer for offhand attack with bonus action. But what about monk unarmed fighting? Or some races with natural weapons (tabaxis, minotaurs,...)

As part of the Monk's Martial Arts ability they gain the following benefit:

• When you use the Attack action with an unarmed strike or a monk weapon on your turn, you can make one unarmed strike as a bonus action. For example, if you take the Attack action and attack with a quarterstaff, you can also make an unarmed strike as a bonus action, assuming you haven’t already taken a bonus action this turn.

This is separate from the normal Two Weapon Fighting rules, and therefore doesn't suffer their restrictions, but it only applies to unarmed strikes. A monk who wished to make an off-hand attack using a light melee weapon would have to do so using the standard Two Weapon Fighting rules, and would not be able to add their ability modifier to the damage.

 

[delph]

Thanks both. I'v read it well. Our group was talking about I'm the biggest dmg dealer in party, but everyone read on internet that monks dmg sucks. So I think if it's by my misinterpreting monks unarmored attack.

 

[delph]

84. Bestow curse -"While the target is cursed, your attacks and spells deal an extra 1d8 necrotic dmg to target" + when casted from 5th spell slot or higher doesn't require concentration...

what about cast Hex, then attack with anything - trigger attack deals dmg co CB ad 1d8 and hex deal dmg as spell can I add next 1d8 dmg? so 2d8 by one hexed and cursed attack?

 

[Swarmkeeper]

84. Bestow curse -"While the target is cursed, your attacks and spells deal an extra 1d8 necrotic dmg to target" + when casted from 5th spell slot or higher doesn't require concentration...

what about cast Hex, then attack with anything - trigger attack deals dmg co CB ad 1d8 and hex deal dmg as spell can I add next 1d8 dmg? so 2d8 by one hexed and cursed attack?

On a hit, extra damage is: 1d6 for the Hex (requiring concentration) and 1d8 for the Bestow Curse (cast at 5th level so it doesn't require concentration). It's going to take two turns to get that set up, of course, as you can't cast Hex and Bestow Curse on the same turn.

 

[delph]

On a hit, extra damage is: 1d6 for the Hex (requiring concentration) and 1d8 for the Bestow Curse (cast at 5th level so it doesn't require concentration). It's going to take two turns to get that set up, of course, as you can't cast Hex and Bestow Curse on the same turn.

I know I can't cast it in same turn. But In fight with BBEG can ve useful.
But my question was about if BC add 1d8 to hex dmg, not only to Attack. When Spell máme dmg And Hex Is Spell making dmg.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

"While the target is cursed, your attacks and spells deal an extra 1d8 necrotic dmg to target". So, you hit a target and it takes an extra 1d8 damage from Bestow Curse. But, because of Bestow Curse, the target takes an extra 1d8 damage from Bestow Curse, for 2d8.

Conclusion, ether Bestow Curse always does double damage (or infinite damage) or it only applies ONCE.

 

[Swarmkeeper]

I know I can't cast it in same turn. But In fight with BBEG can ve useful.
But my question was about if BC add 1d8 to hex dmg, not only to Attack. When Spell máme dmg And Hex Is Spell making dmg.

Ah, got it now. Thanks for the clarification. Yeah, the wording of the spell is a bit careless. I don't think the RAI is to grant more than 1d8 additional damage for a single attack, regardless of how many other triggered spell effects are on the target (Hex, Hunter's Mark, Booming Blade, etc).

That said, I don't think an extra 1d8 (due to new attack + hex both getting the damage boost) is going to be game breaking considering the action economy to set it up. Especially against a BBEG. Arguably, the more valuable Bestow Curse option against a BBEG would be the WIS save failure to cause the BBEG to waste their action (or waste a legendary resistance) for a turn. Then again, if a PC is relying on 3rd level spells to defeat a BBEG, good luck to the party.

 

[MarkB]

I know I can't cast it in same turn. But In fight with BBEG can ve useful.
But my question was about if BC add 1d8 to hex dmg, not only to Attack. When Spell máme dmg And Hex Is Spell making dmg.

As I understand it, "extra" damage is only applied when there is a base damage for it to be added to. So, for instance, if you Bestow Curse on a person and then hit them with Hold Person, you won't get the 1d8 damage then because there's nothing to add it to.

As Hex also deals Extra damage, I don't think it qualifies as dealing a base amount of damage to trigger another source of Extra damage.