A Question Of Agency?

[prabe]

I think I would separate that out more than you have. The character action itself was roleplaying but the mechanical process that determines the outcome (or whatever other outcome generation technique is used) I don’t think going through that process is roleplaying.

While I can see your point, it seems as though you're saying that any time an action is resolved mechanically (dice, cards, whatever) there is no roleplaying. I wouldn't go as far as you seem to be going. I think at least sometimes resolution can be included in roleplaying.

 

[FrogReaver]

While I can see your point, it seems as though you're saying that any time an action is resolved mechanically (dice, cards, whatever) there is no roleplaying. I wouldn't go as far as you seem to be going. I think at least sometimes resolution can be included in roleplaying.

Just that the moment of throwing the dice or resolving the action isn’t roleplaying. There’s still roleplaying at the action step.

can you give me an example where resolution should be included in roleplaying?

 

[Bedrockgames]

Sure, and I asked my whole family, a marching band, and a pet adoption agency, and my girlfriend Alberta who lives in Canada, and they all said it would be a dick move. Could we please stop making unverifiable strawpoll arguments like this? It's not IMHO helping move discussion forward or bettering your case. What helps is understanding your perspective on the matter rather than how many people would be okay with it.

I think this kind of information is relevant, sorry. My play style doesn’t exist in a vacuum. And it wasn’t a straw man. I legitimately wanted to ask people who play sandbox ‘am I crazy in my assertions about agency and the brother here’ because I am getting so much pushback in this thread.

 

[Aldarc]

I think this kind of information is relevant, sorry. My play style doesn’t exist in a vacuum. And it wasn’t a straw man. I legitimately wanted to ask people who play sandbox ‘am I crazy in my assertions about agency and the brother here’ because I am getting so much pushback in this thread.

And I don't, sorry. So what good does telling me this do me?

 

[prabe]

Just that the moment of throwing the dice or resolving the action isn’t roleplaying. There’s still roleplaying at the action step.

can you give me an example where resolution should be included in roleplaying?

I think, in the oft-cited examples from BW, that roleplaying would be impossible without the resolutions (We found the tower; I found my brother). I think that in any system that boils down to "The GM Decides" where the GM is convinced/persuaded by roleplaying (along the lines of what I understand @pemerton to mean by "free narration") that the resolution is directly derived from the roleplaying. I think that in any system or instance where the odds of resolution are affected by what has been roleplayed, roleplaying and resolution are intertwined.

 

[FrogReaver]

And I don't, sorry. So what good does telling me this do me?

EDIT:

sometimes it’s better to just ignore such things than get sucked into them.

 

[Bedrockgames]

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If you are going to post this kind of response, you really shouldn’t be surprised if I take your posts as hostile. If you want to engage what I actually said, I am happy to respond. I don’t consider this serious engagement. Especially when the humor doesn’t counter at all with what I am describing. If you come into a group where everyone but you is onboard with the style, and get bent out of shape when their approach doesn’t fit your agenda: you are the problem. You are principal skinner in that moment. The Simpsons meme is making the the point I am making. Perhaps you posted it to agree with me, but doesn’t seem like it

 

[Bedrockgames]

And I don't, sorry. So what good does telling me this do me?

Then I guess ignoring my post was your best option because continue to find this kind of information relevant

 

[Aldarc]

If you are going to post this kind of response, you really shouldn’t be surprised if I take your posts as hostile. If you want to engage what I actually said, I am happy to respond. I don’t consider this serious engagement. Especially when the humor doesn’t counter at all with what I am describing. If you come into a group where everyone but you is onboard with the style, and get bent out of shape when their approach doesn’t fit your agenda: you are the problem. You are principal skinner in that moment. The Simpsons meme is making the the point I am making. Perhaps you posted it to agree with me, but doesn’t seem like it

The hostility already seemed present in what you posted, as it came across as you trying to throw the problem at hand back at the player and blaming them as the real problem. I hope you can sympathize with how someone could easily read that underlying sentiment from your post.

I think this kind of information is relevant, sorry. My play style doesn’t exist in a vacuum. And it wasn’t a straw man. I legitimately wanted to ask people who play sandbox ‘am I crazy in my assertions about agency and the brother here’ because I am getting so much pushback in this thread.

I said "straw poll."

 

[FrogReaver]

I think, in the oft-cited examples from BW, that roleplaying would be impossible without the resolutions (We found the tower; I found my brother). I think that in any system that boils down to "The GM Decides" where the GM is convinced/persuaded by roleplaying (along the lines of what I understand @pemerton to mean my "free narration") that the resolution is directly derived from the roleplaying. I think that in any system or instance where the odds of resolution are affected by what has been roleplayed, roleplaying and resolution are intertwined.

Maybe the disconnect is that I’m including dm decides here. When the dm decides the player isn’t roleplaying.

I do agree that you can’t have roleplay without having resolutions. But I don’t see how that makes those resolutions into roleplaying.