Level Up (A5E) Fireball

[BlivetWidget]

If they kept the damage as-is but also included the potential for an injury, whatever that ends up being, it'd probably be worth 7th level.

That's what I was thinking. Maybe the injury one should be the regular one. Either that, or up the damage on the regular and make the rare one deal d10's

Admittedly we don't know what "injuries" are at this point, but I the concern I would have with using injuries to balance spells is the implication that it's a long-lasting effect. Such effects tend to wildly affect the potency of a spell depending on who uses them and on whom, which makes them extremely difficult to balance.

For example, Feeblemind is simultaneously one of the most dangerous spells for an NPC to use against a PC wizard, while being quite middling for a PC to use against an NPC wizard. The asymmetry in consequence means that as frightening as this spell is, I've never seen a PC bother with it, and for good reason.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Admittedly we don't know what "injuries" are at this point, but I the concern I would have with using injuries to balance spells is the implication that it's a long-lasting effect. Such effects tend to wildly affect the potency of a spell depending on who uses them and on whom, which makes them extremely difficult to balance.

For example, Feeblemind is simultaneously one of the most dangerous spells for an NPC to use against a PC wizard, while being quite middling for a PC to use against an NPC wizard. The asymmetry in consequence means that as frightening as this spell is, I've never seen a PC bother with it, and for good reason.

That's a good point, so it is probably best left as a variant spell. Still, I am utterly convinced that the regular version needs an upgrade.

 

[Faolyn]

Admittedly we don't know what "injuries" are at this point, but I the concern I would have with using injuries to balance spells is the implication that it's a long-lasting effect. Such effects tend to wildly affect the potency of a spell depending on who uses them and on whom, which makes them extremely difficult to balance.

While I would normally agree, in this case, Mordy's sword is 7th level.

OTOH, the spell could be modeled off sickening radiance, where the injury (or other lasting effect) only lasts for the spell's duration.

 

[Morrus]

Another spell! First come first served again! Not if you’ve had one before though; just one each.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Animate Dead, please.

 

[Morrus]

Animate Dead, please.

 

[Faolyn]

What's your favorite spell, @Morrus?

 

[Morrus]

What's your favorite spell, @Morrus?

It has always been and always will be, fireball.

 

[Stalker0]

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So the quick comparison (O5E vs LUe)

• 10 ft range vs Touch
• Must give all undead the same command vs Can give only some of the undead the same command and the rest no command.
• Upscale has a group attack option vs just upscale.

So looks like the LUe has some slight nerfs to it overall.

 

[tetrasodium]

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One of the big problems with the original is that zombies don't scale so it doesn't really matter if a necroancer has a bunch, can you give any kind of general description of "group attack rolls" on page@@ or even their goals?