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[Remathilis]

No, I am saying there are two groups of people A) people with real mental health issues and B) people who are following a social script for other reasons. My point is Jackholes will inevitably dismiss group A more if group B is given permission to flourish (this is by the way exactly what happened to people who have celiac disease at restaurants which is why I brought up that example: people who had mild issues or just thought gluten made them fuzzy, but clearly didn't have a real medical condition, made such a production of it all the time, real celiacs get dismissed. That is just the natural result of allowing that kind of performative behavior to go unchecked. I am not saying it is right. But it is a logical outcome that you can see a mile away if you've lived long enough

"There are two groups of people. A.) Those who, by circumstances beyond thier control cannot work and need assistance to survive (the deserving poor) and B.) Lazy Jackholes who don't want to work and would rather survive on charity (the undeserving poor). Since some people who could work but don't want to could get charity, the only way to make sure the undeserving poor don't get benefits is to make sure the deserving don't either. Some people might suffer unjustly, but it's a small price to pay to make sure no one abuses the system."

Yeah, I've heard that one before. When you're interest is in preventing systemic abuse rather than using the system to help, every system looks like a bad idea.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

It was about the third or fourth post that had that quality to it. I am sorry but I just can't engage that kind of tone in a conversation

Oh, you mean when I started asking for evidence and saying that evidence is necessary for a good faith debate? I can see how that would be an issue with your current stance.

Up to that point I responded to your reasons.

That doesn't mean that you were arguing in good faith. It just means that you were arguing. There's a big difference between music and noise. What came across was a lot of noise.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Oh, you mean when I started asking for evidence and saying that evidence is necessary for a good faith debate? I can see how that would be an issue with your current stance.

Lol. No

 

[Bedrockgames]

That doesn't mean that you were arguing in good faith. It just means that you were arguing. There's a big difference between music and noise. What came across was a lot of noise.

Arguing in good faith, doesn't mean I have to automatically accept your positions because you make points.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Perhaps you are being roped into a dangerous belief is my point

The dangerous belief that being excellent to each other is bad. Truly, I am the villains the 80's warned us about.

 

[Faolyn]

and it's a bad "start" because it fails at providing information. You& @AcererakTriple6 have literally ignored every reason I gave for it being bad & repeatedly just thrown the responsibility of doing anything more than checking a box on a form that gets presented as some kind of thing the GM is entirely responsible for

Probably because your reasons for saying it's a bad form are themselves bad. If the form doesn't have everything you need on it or isn't formatted in the way you like, then make one of your own or include a second sheet of paper. Or tell the player to write up their thing the way they want to.

 

[Bedrockgames]

"There are two groups of people. A.) Those who, by circumstances beyond thier control cannot work and need assistance to survive (the deserving poor) and B.) Lazy Jackholes who don't want to work and would rather survive on charity (the undeserving poor). Since some people who could work but don't want to could get charity, the only way to make sure the undeserving poor don't get benefits is to make sure the deserving don't either. Some people might suffer unjustly, but it's a small price to pay to make sure no one abuses the system."

Yeah, I've heard that one before. When you're interest is in preventing systemic abuse rather than using the system to help, every system looks like a bad idea.

Jeez. Okay first off, I am fiscally liberal and believe in strong social safety nets and social programs for the needy. So this argument doesn't have anything to do with the one I am making. You are not arguing with a conservative here if that is what you think.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Jeez. Okay first off, I am fiscally liberal and believe in strong social safety nets and social programs for the needy. So this argument doesn't have anything to do with the one I am making. You are not arguing with a conservative here if that is what you think.

Dude, it's actually shocking that you haven't used the word 'snowflake' with what you've been preaching here.

 

[Bedrockgames]

The dangerous belief that being excellent to each other is bad. Truly, I am the villains the 80's warned us about.

I believe in being excellent to each other, and in taking care of one another (I just don't believe in safety tools

 

[Remathilis]

Jeez. Okay first off, I am fiscally liberal and believe in strong social safety nets and social programs for the needy. So this argument doesn't have anything to do with the one I am making. You are not arguing with a conservative here if that is what you think.

I won't argue with your political leanings, but merely point out you have co-opted some of their language and rhetoric to prove your point.