Firefly Reconsidered: Why Firefly Isn't "Hall of Fame" Great

[dragoner]

Latimer is what.

Try being the immigrant foreigner science nerd that was bullied by that type.

 

[Umbran]

TNG is two idk if that would make my top ten let alone 5. TNG is vastly over rated IMHO. The best if it is great but two meh seasons and a lot of filler/meh episodes.

DS9 is better IMHO along with B5, Farscape, SG1/Atlantis off the top of my head. Along with the BSG remake which I rewatched recently and thought it was better than 1st time around.

As above - TNG is not overrated, because it laid the foundation on which every one of those other shows you mention was based.

Next Gen is to modern genre TV as... Elvis and the Beatles are to modern music. Today they may not be seen as the greatest examples, but it was formative of everything that came afterwards.

 

[Umbran]

Try being the immigrant foreigner science nerd that was bullied by that type.

It would have been awesome if, after he got punched in the face, he learned something. It was a prime setup for character growth, but... no.

 

[Ryujin]

Eureka has a few facets that make it stand out:
Rejection of cynicism as a guiding principle - contrasting with the grimdark popular in the early 2000s - Battlestar Galactica was the big sci-fi TV hit of the time.
Law enforcement that almost never draws a weapon, and leads with de-escalation.
Positive role models of male friendship, in which men of remarkably different backgrounds enjoy each other's company and give each other emotional support.
Plots that resolve by having people talk to each other like mature adults.
Uber-nerd characters that grow into people who actually understand their fellow humans.

The virtually unflagging positivity of Allison Scagliotti's character was a stand out for me. As a result when things were bad for her, you felt it that much more.

EDIT - Sorry, meant to comment on your previous Warehouse 13 post.

 

[Ryujin]

As above - TNG is not overrated, because it laid the foundation on which every one of those other shows you mention was based.

Next Gen is to modern genre TV as... Elvis and the Beatles are to modern music. Today they may not be seen as the greatest examples, but it was formative of everything that came afterwards.

I would have said TOS, but otherwise agree

 

[Umbran]

I would have said TOS, but otherwise agree

Everyone stands on someone else's shoulders. And, I think modern TV probably owes more to Next Gen than to TOS directly.

 

[billd91]

I would have said TOS, but otherwise agree

Fortunately, there's an easy adjustment here. TOS is Elvis - groundbreaking and important, but also highly episodic, there isn't as much of a perceivable progression as it goes along. TNG is more akin to the Beatles - a major evolution in the form of genre media, blending in more concepts from other styles (like the ongoing nighttime drama) and wedding them to the foundation laid by TOS (Elvis).

But that's probably really attenuating the analogy...

 

[dragoner]

The virtually unflagging positivity of Allison Scagliotti's character was a stand out for me. As a result when things were bad for her, you felt it that much more.

EDIT - Sorry, meant to comment on your previous Warehouse 13 post.

Claudia was one of my favorite characters of the show. Aaron Ashmore's openly gay character Steve Jinks also drew a lot of criticism from the usual suspects. Their boss was a dignified Black woman. The show had a huge amount of detractors at the time for being too progressive.

 

[Ryujin]

Fortunately, there's an easy adjustment here. TOS is Elvis - groundbreaking and important, but also highly episodic, there isn't as much of a perceivable progression as it goes along. TNG is more akin to the Beatles - a major evolution in the form of genre media, blending in more concepts from other styles (like the ongoing nighttime drama) and wedding them to the foundation laid by TOS (Elvis).

But that's probably really attenuating the analogy...

And then we'd have to get into where Elvis's influence came from, and...

 

[payn]

And then we'd have to get into where Elvis's influence came from, and...

Right, im seeing TOS being like little Richard now. Bringing a crazy multicultural approach to media...