Black Widow

[Dire Bare]

No I get you want them to keep being assassins.

It's just that you come across as not having understood the movie, since that outcome would have been everything Natasha fought against, and also pretty much the exact opposite of the film's message to girls in the audience...

Some of the widows will likely continue in the assassination business, others won't. The overall point was returning their free will, and folks can use that for good or ill.

I can see a former-widow spy agency that has the focus of tracking down and freeing the still controlled widows, and taking on other jobs to pay the bills, even the occasional assassination. They could be portrayed as good-guy-spies who occasionally have to stray into darkness, or a more straight up morally grey organization . . .

Of course, there's no guarantee we'll see any of the widows again, other than Yelena.

 

[Dire Bare]

Villain is…forgettable (aka fine for marvel movies).

Yeah, Drakov is a pretty standard-template evil spy boss villain. Ray Winstone did a good job with him, but he was pretty forgettable.

But the villain wasn't the focus of the movie. The movie was about Natasha finding family and purpose, and succeeded on that front. For me at least.

Really enjoyed the film today!

However, I popped an extra $4 for the ScreenX version . . . don't waste your money.

 

[Imaculata]

I enjoyed the movie, but it is a shame the more down to earth spy thriller stuff established early on in the film, is replaced by ludicrous sky base stuff later on. It feels as if they came up with the giant cgi climax first, and then wrote a better movie around it. The two elements feel disconnected.

The best parts of the movie are the scenes with Nat's disfunctional family. Taskmaster is such a waste though. I don't mind them making changes to a character in the MCU, but comics Taskmaster is so much cooler.

Did anyone else feel like the 'comedy' during the end credits scene was a bit inappropriate?

 

[pukunui]

Did anyone else feel like the 'comedy' during the end credits scene was a bit inappropriate?

Inappropriate in what way? Because they're in a cemetery? If anything, I think it hints at / reinforces that the contessa is a villain. She clearly doesn't respect Yelena's boundaries.

 

[hopeless]

I got the impression they're trying to do a reverse Nick Fury credit sequence establishing the Thunderbolts.

 

[Dire Bare]

I enjoyed the movie, but it is a shame the more down to earth spy thriller stuff established early on in the film, is replaced by ludicrous sky base stuff later on. It feels as if they came up with the giant cgi climax first, and then wrote a better movie around it. The two elements feel disconnected.

Have you seen the James Bond films? Everything before the Daniel Craig era was just as over-the-top as Black Widow, just minus modern special effects.

 

[Henry]

Ideally this would have been filmed years ago and released a few months after Winter Soldier. Then Black Widow 2 could have come out at some point, with an adventure involving Nat, Steve, and Sam on the run. And then we could have released the 2021 Black Widow 3 that takes place during the blip. The first one can be this action movie with some spy stuff, the second one could be a big espionage thriller, and the third could, I dunno, involve holding society together after the blip, and stopping some fascist from taking over in the chaos.

I’ve said it once before, IMO you’d make a Hell of a good Hollywood script doctor.

 

[hopeless]

I’ve said it once before, IMO you’d make a Hell of a good Hollywood script doctor.

Personally they're also right.
They've killed off Tony Stark, Cap has returned having lived all those years he spent returning to his past, Thor is out there travelling to recover from the massive losses as seen in Infinity Wars so what does that leave us?

Shang-Chi introduces the Mandarin an Iron Man villain, but he's dead I hear you say well make a movie set between Iron Man 1 and 2 or after 3 and use him in that movie!

Same goes for Black Widow, the character is dead in the present, but not the past!

What's stopping them from making such a movie in the near future but set before her death in Endgame?

There's nothing as far as I can see unless they think building the Thunderbolts the same way they built the Avengers will make them as much money.

Will it?

 

[Imaculata]

Have you seen the James Bond films? Everything before the Daniel Craig era was just as over-the-top as Black Widow, just minus modern special effects.

But James Bond was consistently absurd from start to finish. Black Widow feels like a grounded Marvel film at first, but the third act feels like an unwelcome intrusion by a different writer.

 

[Morrus]

Have you seen the James Bond films? Everything before the Daniel Craig era was just as over-the-top as Black Widow, just minus modern special effects.

Nah. Bond never exhibits superhuman durability like Black Widow (he would survive falls like that through luck, landing on a hay-filled trailer or something, rather than bounce off a few metal railings, and then stand up again), and nothing even comes close to that final aerial showdown.