Hawkeye Disney+ Limited Series (spoilers)

[Tonguez]

Second: I’m pretty sure the pic Val showed Yelena of Clint has him in the Ronin outfit. If so, does this mean Kate’s mom could know Clint was Ronin through Val? And if so, does that mean Kingpin could know it through either of them?

I wouldnt be suprised if it was Kates mother who provided the pic of Ronin to Val - she owns a security company with cameras around the city. The implication that Kingpin knows the identity of Ronin too is something I hadnt considered, its a big peice of leverage for Kingpin, especially if he can link back to Clints family too.

Yes, that's how I see it pretty much at this point. More details may come in the next episode to further refine the timing.

Keep in mind that Natasha's grave is in Ohio; it would not take too long to get to New York City, especially if private aircraft are available. A private jet makes it even faster.

oh I hadnt realised her grave was in Ohio, that is close enough for Yelena to make the trip in a single day, so yeah the revised timeline is plausible, even if it is tight.

 

[pukunui]

The issue I have is that it was most definitely not Christmas time in the BW scene. It was clearly summer in Ohio.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Loved the Blip scene, a great way to show just how mindbendingly freaky and fast it was. Literally you blink and its 5 years gone by, there are soooo many stories that can written on that alone.

Yeah. We'd seen Monica Rambeax blip back in, but not the transition out and in. Like I described it, you might as well have time traveled.

I am enjoying that while Yelena is definately on the hunt, she doesn't seem to be doing it blindly. She gave the warning to Kate to back off, but clearing she was digging in for understanding with Clint. She then dug in on the person who hired her because she's not taking all this at face value.

Now what is a little confusing is....why did Yelena need to get hired in the first place? Last we left her she had been told Clint killed her sister, and she was "off for revenge". Did Yelena decide to go about her business, but when a "hit" when out on Clint on the "assassin webs or whatever", she decided to grab it?

That would be my assumption. Either that, or Val fed her the task after setting her up to be willing to take it. Which would bring up a lot of questions about Val...

 

[MarkB]

EDIT: Sorry, wrong scene.

 

[Thomas Shey]

I'm also more and more thinking my reading that Jacques is not actually a villain (or at least something more complicated) may be correct.

 

[pukunui]

I'm also more and more thinking my reading that Jacques is not actually a villain (or at least something more complicated) may be correct.

At the very least, he isn't the villain in this story.

 

[Tonguez]

I'm also more and more thinking my reading that Jacques is not actually a villain (or at least something more complicated) may be correct.

yeah he's a red herring (hence no swordfights) and a easter egg - he was Clints swordfighting teacher in the comics and an anti-hero.
Tony Dalton has been great though and I'd love to see more of him in future.

 

[pukunui]

I think I mentioned this previously, but I wonder if maybe Kingpin via Val hired Yelena to hunt down Clint/Ronin earlier in the year (e.g. in the summer) but it took until Eleanor's phone call to confirm that Clint is in NYC at Christmas for Yelena to be able to locate him.

That could work to explain the seasonal differences.

 

[MarkB]

I think I mentioned this previously, but I wonder if maybe Kingpin via Val hired Yelena to hunt down Clint/Ronin earlier in the year (e.g. in the summer) but it took until Eleanor's phone call to confirm that Clint is in NYC at Christmas for Yelena to be able to locate him.

That could work to explain the seasonal differences.

Clint isn't exactly being invisible or maintaining a cover, so it's odd that it'd take that long to track him down.

And he was also thoroughly retired. What would have happened back in the summer to precipitate putting a hit out on him?

 

[pukunui]

Clint isn't exactly being invisible or maintaining a cover, so it's odd that it'd take that long to track him down.

We don't know what he was or wasn't doing prior to visiting NYC at Christmas.

And he was also thoroughly retired. What would have happened back in the summer to precipitate putting a hit out on him?

I don't know. If the BW scene is meant to be concurrent with Hawkeye, then I guess I'll just have to accept that the seasonal difference is just a blooper. After all, we've been told that the Hawkeye showrunners begged Marvel to be allowed to include Yelena in their show, so it seems like when they made the BW scene, they may have originally had a different idea of how Yelena's confrontation with Clint would go down.

Since Christmas is such an integral part of Hawkeye, we'll just have to ignore the fact that it was the "wrong" season during the BW scene.

It wouldn't be the first time such a goof made its way into the MCU timeline after all.