D&D General Chris just said why I hate wizard/fighter dynamic

[DND_Reborn]

So, is anyone actually interesting in trying to find a solution for the people who have an issue with the shenanigan disparity or is it time to stop watching the thread?

Call me eternally optimistic, but I am always hoping people will actually want to work to build something to make the game better for everyone, but alas it never seems to happen.

 

[Jer]

So, is anyone actually interesting in trying to find a solution for the people who have an issue with the shenanigan disparity or is it time to stop watching the thread?

Call me eternally optimistic, but I am always hoping people will actually want to work to build something to make the game better for everyone, but alas it never seems to happen.

There can be no general solution to this problem because there are too many people who like the disparity and think it's a feature not a bug. You can't fix something that people think is an intrinsic feature of the game and don't want to get rid of.

 

[Oofta]

So, is anyone actually interesting in trying to find a solution for the people who have an issue with the shenanigan disparity or is it time to stop watching the thread?

Call me eternally optimistic, but I am always hoping people will actually want to work to build something to make the game better for everyone, but alas it never seems to happen.

There have been very few suggestions other than things like giving fighters an at-will jump spell along with people saying that fighters should be better than world-record setting modern athletes.

I agree that at times D&D fails at simulation. Okay, most of the time if you look too closely. I just don't think making fighters into demigods or letting them jump twice the world record distance is an answer.

 

[Oofta]

There can be no general solution to this problem because there are too many people who like the disparity and think it's a feature not a bug. You can't fix something that people think is an intrinsic feature of the game and don't want to get rid of.

Back in 3.5, there was a massive power difference. Starting around 15th level the only party member that mattered was an effective wizard or cleric. I don't see that issue with 5E.

 

[HammerMan]

D&D to drop from the first place in played RPGs EVER.

D&D dropped when it had only 1 new product left... long after the edition was called due to memes

can we get back to caster/noncaster nwo?

 

[FrogReaver]

So, is anyone actually interesting in trying to find a solution for the people who have an issue with the shenanigan disparity or is it time to stop watching the thread?

Call me eternally optimistic, but I am always hoping people will actually want to work to build something to make the game better for everyone, but alas it never seems to happen.

Sometimes there is no solution. But in this instance… IMO the solution is simple and already done by most from the evidence. Play in tier 1 and 2 mostly. The power gap is minimal to non-existent for most of those levels.

 

[HammerMan]

There will be no 6e for a loooooonnnnnnnnnggggggg time, WotC is certainly not going to kill the golden goose of 5e.

I am so sick of having to write this out

5.5/6/anniversary edition

 

[HammerMan]

You have no stats, but I'm with @Oofta on this one, not been a problem for us in any edition, ever, from BECMI to AD&D to 3e to 5e, and we've done 20 campaigns of that last one so far.

then why are you argueing with peopel who DO have the problem?

 

[Crimson Longinus]

So, is anyone actually interesting in trying to find a solution for the people who have an issue with the shenanigan disparity or is it time to stop watching the thread?

Call me eternally optimistic, but I am always hoping people will actually want to work to build something to make the game better for everyone, but alas it never seems to happen.

There can be solutions and several have been suggested. Mine is to emphasise the tiers of play and accept that high level characters, martial included, are mythic heroes and do not need to conform to real world expectations, whilst keeping the earlier levels more grounded. But I don't think that there can be a solution that is acceptable to everyone. That being said, as the poll in other thread shows, a decent majority would probably be OK with high level martials being at least somewhat superhuman, so I think that would work as a sensible starting point.

 

[HammerMan]

I'm just stating the fact that during 4E D&D slipped to second place in Q2 of 2011. D&D 5E was announced in spring of 2012.

You like what you like, there's nothing wrong with that. I just want different things than you do.

EDIT: only reason I responded was to add the link backing up the timeline and include the reference.

and according to wikipiedia 4e ended in 2011

so pathfinder pulled ahead when WOTC stopped putting out books...

edit: can we go back to caster/noncaster now? or is the edition war the only way to stop people from talking about making the game mor efun?