The Book of Boba Fett (spoilers)

[Morrus]

Remember some stories, sure. But in 20 years, the context of those stories could have significantly changed under propaganda pressure from the Empire.

No amount of propaganda is going to erase my memory of seeing a magic space wizard with a laser sword. Heck, the original Star Wars films were longer ago than Jedi were to those in A New Hope.

 

[billd91]

No amount of propaganda is going to erase my memory of seeing a magic space wizard with a laser sword. Heck, the original Star Wars films were longer ago than Jedi were to those in A New Hope.

But are you going to remember them as people who stood up against oppression? Or as weird, religious recluses who stabbed the Grand Army of the Republic and the great Chancellor in the back just as they were on the verge of triumphing in saving Republic space from trade-controlling alien separatists and the big banking consortium? Because that's the real question.

 

[MarkB]

No amount of propaganda is going to erase my memory of seeing a magic space wizard with a laser sword.

Assuming you were lucky enough to do so. With only 10,000 Jedi in the entire galaxy, the odds are against you.

Heck, the original Star Wars films were longer ago than Jedi were to those in A New Hope.

And even within them, there are revisions that have become accepted canon, like Greedo shooting first, or Han's meeting with Jabba. Imagine if you were in a totalitarian regime, in which all media had been revised to match the official story, and even speaking the phrase "Han shot first" would be considered an act of sedition - how long would the memory of that original version persist in the public consciousness?

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

No amount of propaganda is going to erase my memory of seeing a magic space wizard with a laser sword. Heck, the original Star Wars films were longer ago than Jedi were to those in A New Hope.

Hm, I am trying to think of real world parallels of protest or political groups that had their bigger days in the spotlight 20-40 years ago and are lesser known now to the general public. Here in the US, groups like the Black Panthers or Nation of Islam are past their days of being in the news all the time from the 70's and 80's. I can tell you they still exist and who the best known leader of each was, but I am not part of their circle to know much more without having to Google them. And the Jedi basically vanished, rather than just having a reduced profile. Also, compared to other far future scifi stuff, Star Wars does not seem to have a galactic internet. Instead, you have to send your R2 unit into a dangerous situation to access information archives. lol

 

[ART!]

Just goes to show how people who enjoy the same overall brand can view things so differently. I thought every minute with Luke was very good, but I also was a kid when Star Wars was brand-new and no one was better than Luke for many years after seeing the movie for the first time.

Same. I can't get enough of OT Luke.

I was impressed by the face-replacement technology has improved even from a year ago with that last ep of Mando. I think there's a decent chance that in the next 5-10 years or so we will see a series with OT Luke, Han, Leia, etc., recreated using this and/or other computer-assisted technologies.

Regarding Grogu's choice, here's what I want to be going on (but suspect I'm wrong):

Having helped Grogu get in touch with his early memory of blasters, lightsabers, and violent death, the zapping training droid and Luke displaying his saber kata was actually Luke testing Grogu's reaction and feelings about become a lightsaber-weilding force-user. The choice at the end of the ep is Luke making the distinction clear to Grogu. I suspect Grogu's path is a less potentially violent one than that of most of the of Jedi we've seen, and I want Luke to know this, too.

 

[Morrus]

Assuming you were lucky enough to do so. With only 10,000 Jedi in the entire galaxy, the odds are against you.

And even within them, there are revisions that have become accepted canon, like Greedo shooting first, or Han's meeting with Jabba. Imagine if you were in a totalitarian regime, in which all media had been revised to match the official story, and even speaking the phrase "Han shot first" would be considered an act of sedition - how long would the memory of that original version persist in the public consciousness?

I mean, people can keep repeating the same thing over and over, but it ain't gonna convince me I'd forget the magic laser sword space wizards from back when I was in college. I understand the argument; I just disagree with it.

 

[MarkB]

Regarding Grogu's choice, here's what I want to be going on (but suspect I'm wrong):

Having helped Grogu get in touch with his early memory of blasters, lightsabers, and violent death, the zapping training droid and Luke displaying his saber kata was actually Luke testing Grogu's reaction and feelings about become a lightsaber-weilding force-user. The choice at the end of the ep is Luke making the distinction clear to Grogu. I suspect Grogu's path is a less potentially violent one than that of most of the of Jedi we've seen, and I want Luke to know this, too.

I'm not so sure Grogu's path is any less potentially violent than that of any other Jedi. Just as a biological specimen he's valuable enough to have been fought over and probably will be again, he's growing up in a lawless region of the galaxy in a time when new threats are rising from the ashes of the Empire, and as a person he doesn't seem to be particularly inclined towards dispassion and serenity.

Whether he goes with Luke or Din, it seems likely that he's going to be trained as a warrior.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

I was impressed by the face-replacement technology has improved even from a year ago with that last ep of Mando. I think there's a decent chance that in the next 5-10 years or so we will see a series with OT Luke, Han, Leia, etc., recreated using this and/or other computer-assisted technologies.

I don't like the use of dead actors beyond maybe for a minute or two as a final goodbye on film to them. What they did with Tarkin and Leia was alright, but over in Ghostbusters: Aftermath,

Spoiler

the scene with the ghost of Egon/Harold Ramis

went on way longer than I was comfortable with, even though he did not speak at all.

 

[Matchstick]

I feel a disturbance in the Force, as though thousands of voice actors had suddenly cried out in anguish, and been suddenly silenced.

But more seriously, I find that a little unlikely - it's something that might be done to recapture the voice of a deceased actor, if the technology is there, but Mark Hamill is still around, and still perfectly willing to work on Star Wars projects.

According to Decider:

Instead of bringing Hamill in to record the new lines of dialogue, the series — including The Mandalorian, apparently! — instead used a program called Respeecher to make Luke sound like it’s 1983 all over again. Sound editor Matthew Wood described the process in an episode of Disney Gallery: Star Wars: The Mandalorian: “It’s a neural network you feed information into and it learns. So I had archival material from Mark in that era. We had clean recorded ADR from the original films, a book on tape he’d done from those eras, and then also Star Wars radio plays he had done back in that time. I was able to get clean recordings of that, feed it into the system, and they were able to slice it up and feed their neural network to learn this data.”

If that's true, we're actually seeing Luke here with no Mark Hamill involved at all, which is wild.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

If that's true, we're actually seeing Luke here with no Mark Hamill involved at all, which is wild.

He is in the credits, so he was involved, as that was his body with a de-aged face, just like with the episode of Mandalorian, where they only used the stunt double for the fight scene.