D&D 5E D&D and who it's aimed at

[Retreater]

Well, Disney hasn't yet updated Splash Mountain to remove offensive racial caricatures, although they're reportedly working on it. And they didn't install safety lap bars on the ride to increase survivabilty until more than 10 years after 3e was released. Maybe Disney is being D&Dified?

Last I heard the ride was shut down. I had a co-worker go last month. Don't know if it's being redone or if it just was out of order.

 

[BookTenTiger]

My big problem with using a term like "Disneyfication" is that it infantilizes people who enjoy the direction WotC is taking D&D. It reminds me too much of a kid saying "that's for babies." It feels like a term meant to demean rather than accurately describe.

D&D started with a very niche audience: Midwestern wargamers. Over time it's grown to attract a broader audience, and it's changed in order to do so.

Maybe more accurate terms would be "universalization" or "broadening."

 

[Maxperson]

Well, Disney hasn't yet updated Splash Mountain to remove offensive racial caricatures, although they're reportedly working on it. And they didn't install safety lap bars on the ride to increase survivabilty until more than 10 years after 3e was released. Maybe Disney is being D&Dified?

This makes no sense at all. To be D&Dified it would have to become more violent and controversial than it already is. Is that what you are arguing?

Disney has removed controversial content from multiple rides, including Splash Mountain.

"Disney World Officially Removes Splash Mountain Reference From Parade. Disney announced that they would be retheming the Splash Mountain theme park attraction, (located in both Disney World and Disneyland) from the controversial film, Song of the South to the 2009 film, The Princess and the Frog. Mar 9, 2022"

 

[Micah Sweet]

And that's okay. I think every DM should pick an adventure that calls to them, that they would feel comfortable running. For me, even going back to my earliest games, fey don't really interest me. (Heck, look at this chart and see how many fey rank towards the bottom of "favorite monsters" of the board members. D&D 5E - Here's Our Favourite (and least favourite) D&D Monsters!
I also don't like dragons - I don't find them especially interesting. So I'm probably not going to pick up Fizban's Treasury or the upcoming Dragonlance stuff. Obviously I don't think anyone is wrong for putting dragons in their Dungeons & Dragons games, just as I don't think it's wrong to have a fey-based adventure. It's just not for me.

Yeah. I personally don't like the Feywild, and that leads directly to my dislike of the recent Feywild push in 5e.

 

[Vaalingrade]

This makes no sense at all.

It does in the sense of being suuuper late getting with the times.

 

[Irlo]

This makes no sense at all. To be D&Dified it would have to become more violent and controversial than it already is. Is that what you are arguing?

It's a joke.

The bit about increasing survivability was supposed make that clear.

 

[Maxperson]

My big problem with using a term like "Disneyfication" is that it infantilizes people who enjoy the direction WotC is taking D&D. It reminds me too much of a kid saying "that's for babies." It feels like a term meant to demean rather than accurately describe.

If you want to take it that way. I personally love Disney movies and theme parks. Do I like the direction the D&D game has gone. To a degree, yes.

3e was easier to survive than 1e and 2e, yet still kept a lot of the danger. Save or Die was still present, poisons weren't instantly lethal, I liked that you got a save against energy drain, though I do think they went to far with it and removed all of its teeth. But that's as far as I like D&D to go. 5e is just waaaaaaay too easy to survive for me. It has also been simplified too much for my preference. I really enjoy the edition, but would have enjoyed it more had it been in-between 3e and 5e with regard to complexity and danger.

 

[Maxperson]

It's a joke.

The bit about increasing survivability was supposed make that clear.

Man, it's too early and I have a migraine this morning. I totally missed that.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Base 1e and Base 5e are not that far off and easy to convert forward.

Especially compared to 3e and 4e.

One of the things about 5e i really enjoyed when it came out was the ease of conversion to older editions.

 

[BookTenTiger]

If you want to take it that way. I personally love Disney movies and theme parks. Do I like the direction the D&D game has gone. To a degree, yes.

3e was easier to survive than 1e and 2e, yet still kept a lot of the danger. Save or Die was still present, poisons weren't instantly lethal, I liked that you got a save against energy drain, though I do think they went to far with it and removed all of its teeth. But that's as far as I like D&D to go. 5e is just waaaaaaay too easy to survive for me. It has also been simplified too much for my preference. I really enjoy the edition, but would have enjoyed it more had it been in-between 3e and 5e with regard to complexity and danger.

To me it's like the term Grognard. I have seen people on this forum not like the term because they think it's degrading. So I don't use it myself.

I guess if folks want to keep using the term Disneyfication, even knowing it makes others feel bad, that's on them.