D&D 5E Is Tasha's More or Less The Universal Standard?

[ECMO3]

Basically how many people are you aware of using Tasha's as is out in the wild? Do DMs allow it, parts of it,not allow it or just not aware of it.

How about online for those of you who play online?

To me there's a lot of power creep in in and parts of it obsolete the phb. Only managed one short campaign before Covid restrictions killed the game.

Anyway thinking of starting a new game and drawing a line in the sand as I haven't paid much attention to post Tasha's despite owning several books eg Fizbans, Ravenloft and one of the adventures whose name I forget.

Every DM I play with allows it and I allow it when I DM.

Only thing one of DMs does not allow is moving ASIs, everything else from Tasha's is on the table and even that is on the table for every DM but one. Other setting books like Ravinka, Eberron, Strixhaven etc are banned at some tables I play but not Tasha's.

I have not found power creep to be a problem on any tables I have played, more options yes including more powerful options, but the better subclasses, spells and feats from the PHB are still played a lot and the ones that are not were never really good anyway.

There is a lot of hand wringing on this forum about Twilight Cleric in general and Twilight Sanctuary in specific, but I have seen 3 Twilight Clerics played into tier 2 or 3 (including one I played) and found that feature to be rather underwhelming in play and really only situationally powerful because it costs an action to use, is difficult to use with maximum effect because of positioning and it has to be a long combat to get the most out of the temp hps. There are usually more powerful options to start combat and those optiosn will also end combat quicker. This is especially true when as a TC you usually have initiative close to the top of the order. When the battlefield is not yet set and you are one of the first people to go, there is a high cost to using an action that does nothing on your turn, nothing to the enemies on their turn and nothing for your allies until their turn is over. If you wait and don't use it on the first turn it is not as helpful overall because it relies on being up for multiple rounds to really be beneficial. TS is awesome on an enemy that is throwing charms every turn, but when that is not happening it is "meh" in play IME.

IMO the most power creep in Tasha's is in Ranger class, especially on a Ranger dip, but honestly that was needed. It does take Ranger from being one of the weaker classes to arguably the strongest "martial" but it is closer to its better peers now than it was before.

I've found Fey Wanderer and Tasha's Bladesinger to be the most powerful subclasses in the game in tier 2-3, but not overwhelmingly so and many people here would not even consider them to be the most powerful sublcasses in their class.

Can't play so no gaming and care factor is low atm. No gaming in-store but an event at a club/pub/bar/restaurant with 200 of my closest friends is fine yay.

Well we technically can but no one wants to game wearing masks and it's not worth the owners time opening.

Look at roll20 and other VTTs. Plenty of games out there.

 

[beancounter]

I allow everything in Tasha's except floating ability score modifiers.

 

[ECMO3]

The party with a Twilight Cleric got TPKed in the second session, so I can't comment on how overpowered it is.

Since Tasha's came out I have played 6 different full campaigns through level 10+, played in another 12 or so one-shots or shorter campaigns and have seen 3 twilight clerics in play. In all those games I've only seen two PCs actually die outright and one of them was in a party where I was playing a Twilight Cleric and I had Twilight sanctuary active when he was killed.

If I had started that fight with something else like Faerie Fire, bless or hold person or even moonbeam or guiding bolt there is a good chance that enemy who downed him would not have killed him.

The Twilight cleric is good and it has a crap ton of ribbons, probably too many, including the best darkvision in the game which is probably overtuned. But in terms of combat power the Bladesingers and Fey Wanderers I have played have been far more powerful and closer to "unbalancing" the game.

 

[the Jester]

I think I disallow more of it than I allow. I am very vigilant about power creep, and it is full of power creep. I'm also pretty hard against anything that removes or reduces the impact of meaningful choices, and it is full of things that do that, too.

 

[Stoutstien]

I'm usually pretty open to most content as long as it falls in the tolerance of the given party/table.

Tasha has a mix of good features, bad features, good ideas with bad implication, and bad ideas with good. On par for experimental content.

 

[BookTenTiger]

I allow all of it, though we are mid campaign so no one has used floating ASI's yet.

The ranger LOVES it because he feels a lot more effective and fun.

The warlock loves to switch up their powers all the time.

 

[Burnside]

There is a lot of hand wringing on this forum about Twilight Cleric in general and Twilight Sanctuary in specific, but I have seen 3 Twilight Clerics played into tier 2 or 3 (including one I played) and found that feature to be rather underwhelming in play and really only situationally powerful because it costs an action to use, is difficult to use with maximum effect because of positioning and it has to be a long combat to get the most out of the temp hps. There are usually more powerful options to start combat and those optiosn will also end combat quicker.

Having seen the class in play a lot in tiers 1-3, I think that the Twilight Sanctuary ability is probably causing the most uproar when it shows up in Tier 1 tbh. It's a comically overpowered ability in a level 3 or 4 party. In low tier 2, it's still a bit OP but obviously heavily dependent on the specific circumstances of the encounter, enemies, and allies. By tier 3 it's fine - it's a powerful ability among many other powerful abilities that everyone is deploying.

In short, I think a lot of the issues people have with Twilight Sanctuary might be mitigated if:

1. It showed up at level 6, not level 3

2. The temp hp rolls were streamlined so that every ally in range gets a set amount of temps rolled at the start of the cleric's turn, rather than having to stop and roll and adjust temps at the beginning of every single ally's turn for the whole encounter

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Basically how many people are you aware of using Tasha's as is out in the wild? Do DMs allow it, parts of it,not allow it or just not aware of it.

How about online for those of you who play online?

I can't say for sure but I can say that it is still a question that gets asked with my group on session 0 "Are we/Can we use the tasha updates"

I also have spoken to 2 old friends not in my current games that one didn't know what Tasha's updates were and has been playing plane PHB+, and the other not only knew of Tasha's but is 100% against it.

here on enworld I have found when I forget that something (like AIM) wasn't in the PHB people get VERY defensive (not everyone but some)... so it is far from universal.

To me there's a lot of power creep in in and parts of it obsolete the phb.

I don't find it does. It mostly to me (and this is a disagreement in what power creep means) buffs weak classes or subclasses not the strong ones.

 

[Maxperson]

Basically how many people are you aware of using Tasha's as is out in the wild? Do DMs allow it, parts of it,not allow it or just not aware of it.

How about online for those of you who play online?

To me there's a lot of power creep in in and parts of it obsolete the phb. Only managed one short campaign before Covid restrictions killed the game.

Anyway thinking of starting a new game and drawing a line in the sand as I haven't paid much attention to post Tasha's despite owning several books eg Fizbans, Ravenloft and one of the adventures whose name I forget.

Can't play so no gaming and care factor is low atm. No gaming in-store but an event at a club/pub/bar/restaurant with 200 of my closest friends is fine yay.

Well we technically can but no one wants to game wearing masks and it's not worth the owners time opening.

I allow some, but not all. I will always have specific racial stat bonuses. There will never be a time when you can go up a level and just decide that the subclass you've been using for the last 6 levels has suddenly been forgotten and you instantly know some completely new one. Same with skills.

You can create a custom race. I'm okay with that within reason. And you can pick from the new subclasses, optional class features(chosen before or as you get to them), feats and new spells.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Oh, I guess I don't use the options to swap things when you gain an ASI, bit that's generally because I'm more generous and if an option is chosen that doesn't vibe with the player, I allow them to swap it.

yeah, in my games I have let 'can I just respec since this isn't working' at anytime