D&D 5E Is Tasha's More or Less The Universal Standard?

[Maxperson]

Whe one of them is important for a Class, then it is very important.

You're also overlooking the fact that when one is important to your class and it's dex, it's far more useful to the dex class than int is to the int class. Each class gets the prime stat boost, plus the dex class gets the massively more useful dex stat for saves, AC and initiative. The int class gets...............bupkis.

 

[Bill Zebub]

There's a huge difference between saying:
A) Int is just as important for Wizards as Str is for fighters, and
B) After your primary stat, the other five are equally important, and
C) All six stats are equally important for all classes

If what WotC has said is A...well, I could quibble, but ok, I'll accept that.

If it's B or C, that's just crazy talk.

 

[Irlo]

If I was told that I could have a 20 and a 14, I'd rather have a 20 dex and 14 int as a wizard than the other way around. The low hit points of the wizard make the high AC and ability to make the tons of dex saves to avoid lots of damage invaluable. You'll still see lots of monsters miss saves with a 14 int, and heck, you can choose to use spells that don't offer saves if you want to avoid that.

People will have their preferences. Another telling choice would selecting between {14,20} and {16,18} to put into Int and Dex. I'd prefer the 2nd set, but I don't think either is objectively better.

It's anecdotal, but in my experience it doesn't matter much if wizards -- or at least one wizard that comes to mind -- make that Dexterity saving throw. They're not standing up to the dragon's breath, either way.

 

[CleverNickName]

There's also a disconnect between someone saying "we get two good save throws"
and someone else hearing "all of our save throws are bad except two."

 

[Irlo]

There's a huge difference between saying:
A) Int is just as important for Wizards as Str is for fighters, and
B) After your primary stat, the other five are equally important, and
C) All six stats are equally important for all classes

If what WotC has said is A...well, I could quibble, but ok, I'll accept that.

If it's B or C, that's just crazy talk.

I haven't seen the specific statements from WotC staff about this -- and I'd like to see them, but I don't want to hunt for them -- I would guess that what they meant is that the differences in value of various abilities are not factors in balancing the game. Not that they're equal, not that they are balanced, but that the designers don't consider those differences when balancing elves vs. dwarves or rogues vs. wizards. I'm speculating.

 

[Parmandur]

You're also overlooking the fact that when one is important to your class and it's dex, it's far more useful to the dex class than int is to the int class. Each class gets the prime stat boost, plus the dex class gets the massively more useful dex stat for saves, AC and initiative. The int class gets...............bupkis.

I mean, Skill saves are pretty significant, and intelligence ones are usually more plot relevant in my experience. Heck, Passive Investigation is a pretty big deal by itself.

 

[Parmandur]

I haven't seen the specific statements from WotC staff about this -- and I'd like to see them, but I don't want to hunt for them -- I would guess that what they meant is that the differences in value of various abilities are not factors in balancing the game. Not that they're equal, not that they are balanced, but that the designers don't consider those differences when balancing elves vs. dwarves or rogues vs. wizards. I'm speculating.

Equal doesn't mean being the same.

 

[Irlo]

Equal doesn't mean being the same.

I don't think I said it did?

 

[James Gasik]

For illlusions, yes. Curiously, when I had a character with a high passive Investigation, it rarely came up. There is a level of campaign dependence here- or even a given DM's handle on the rules.

 

[Parmandur]

There's a huge difference between saying:
A) Int is just as important for Wizards as Str is for fighters, and
B) After your primary stat, the other five are equally important, and
C) All six stats are equally important for all classes

If what WotC has said is A...well, I could quibble, but ok, I'll accept that.

If it's B or C, that's just crazy talk.

What they said is that a +2 to one stat us worth the same amount as +2 to another. I'm the context of this topic, that means a High Elf with +2 Strength and +1 Charisma doesn't need to be rebalanced, because the balance is value neutral in regards to which Attribute is raised in an ASI.