D&D General Why TSR-era D&D Will Always Be D&D

[Enevhar Aldarion]

I honestly don't think more than like six people want Warlord back

And they all post on this forum. lol

 

[Vaalingrade]

I honestly don't think more than like six people want Warlord back, but replace that with Paladin, and you're cooking with gas.

The opposite is true. No need for Paladins, but Competent Fighter is always a winning hand.

 

[James Gasik]

Completely disagree. Planescape used alignment, in particular the alignments of the Outer Planes, as an integral part of the setting. It was about conflicting philosophies and literally changing the world with your beliefs, not just travel to insane and alien locals for adventure (that's pretty much Spelljammer).

From the sounds of it, 5e Spelljammer will be about plane hopping, not space travel...

Yeah.

 

[James Gasik]

The 2nd edition map is just traced over from the 1st edition one. They basically only changed to a prettier color scheme.

The 3rd edition map is different, but mostly it's quite subtle. Areas that got squeezed smaller mostly had nothing of interest in them to begin with. And it did serve a purpose, avoiding having a giant empty space of sand and snow take up most of the northern part of the map.
The North is no longer as far north as it used to be, but you might not actually notice the difference unless you compare the 2nd and 3rd edition map side by side.

It is presented as an expansion of Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance. It explicitly takes place in the planes of those setting since it covers the home domains of their gods.
Dark Sun isn't relevant in that regard because that world is cut off from any other planes, and I don't recall it ever being mentioned in any Planescape works. (Being 2nd Edition, the existence of Greyhawk is quitely ignored.)

Why do the people who make the game hate Greyhawk so much? I mean TSR made Castle Greyhawk, that right there is cause for a riot if you're a Greyhawk fan.

 

[Staffan]

It is presented as an expansion of Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance. It explicitly takes place in the planes of those setting since it covers the home domains of their gods.
Dark Sun isn't relevant in that regard because that world is cut off from any other planes, and I don't recall it ever being mentioned in any Planescape works. (Being 2nd Edition, the existence of Greyhawk is quitely ignored.)

I'm pretty sure Greyhawk stuff is given equal treatment to Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance in Planescape material, mostly concerning gods. On Hallowed Ground covered gods from all three settings along with those from real-world mythologies. I can't recall if Birthright gods were included at the time.

Why do the people who make the game hate Greyhawk so much? I mean TSR made Castle Greyhawk, that right there is cause for a riot if you're a Greyhawk fan.

I have no real explanation for Castle Greyhawk, but I doubt that the Powers That Be "had it in" for Greyhawk. But the D&D market at the time was limited, and having both Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, Dragonlance, and Mystara things in the market is redundant. I mean, they did make 2e Greyhawk material for a while, so I assume it wasn't selling.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

I honestly don't think more than like six people want Warlord back

Surely you haven't forgotten the "Warlord Quarantine" ENWorld had to institute? I don't think a mere six people could have pulled off that much consternation.

 

[James Gasik]

Well let's start counting! I want the Warlord back!

 

[Lanefan]

Why do the people who make the game hate Greyhawk so much? I mean TSR made Castle Greyhawk, that right there is cause for a riot if you're a Greyhawk fan.

Probably because Greyhawk was Gygax's world and after a certain point TSR and Gygax didn't exactly get along very well.

 

[James Gasik]

I mean they don't mind taking elements of the setting, like the Gods, but not so much as a City of Greyhawk. Could there be some legal reason?

 

[Micah Sweet]

The 2nd edition map is just traced over from the 1st edition one. They basically only changed to a prettier color scheme.

The 3rd edition map is different, but mostly it's quite subtle. Areas that got squeezed smaller mostly had nothing of interest in them to begin with. And it did serve a purpose, avoiding having a giant empty space of sand and snow take up most of the northern part of the map.
The North is no longer as far north as it used to be, but you might not actually notice the difference unless you compare the 2nd and 3rd edition map side by side.

It is presented as an expansion of Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance. It explicitly takes place in the planes of those setting since it covers the home domains of their gods.
Dark Sun isn't relevant in that regard because that world is cut off from any other planes, and I don't recall it ever being mentioned in any Planescape works. (Being 2nd Edition, the existence of Greyhawk is quitely ignored.)

No. It covers the home planes of every god, because it covers everything (at least as it existed at the time). Trust me, not everything is connected to FR as your post history would lead me to think you believe.