D&D 5E First World: Possibly One of the New D&D setting?

[Micah Sweet]

If I may ask, what specifically don't you like about it that you think could be bettered by a different version?

I don't like the idea of dragons having created basically all of D&D and coming before everything else. Never been a huge fan if them in general. I prefer a more traditional deity-based cosmology, like Tolkien with Iluvatar, or Greyhawk and the Realms (both of which are similar). It'll be a lot easier to believe the dragon myth is just one interpretation when there's more than one interpretation.

Obviously just my preference.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

I don't like the idea of dragons having created basically all of D&D and coming before everything else. Never been a huge fan if them in general. I prefer a more traditional deity-based cosmology, like Tolkien with Iluvatar, or Greyhawk and the Realms (both of which are similar). It'll be a lot easier to believe the dragon myth is just one interpretation when there's more than one interpretation.

Obviously just my preference.

Well, in the Elegy of the First World, the Dragons (Tiamat and Bahamut) only created the Material Plane and some of its inhabitants. A lot of others came from other planes of existence (Elves from Arvandor, for example). It hints that the Elemental Planes already existed and doesn't say whether or not the Feywild and Shadowfell were created by Bahamut and Tiamat. And although that it doesn't explicitly say it, the Outer Planes definitely predate the First World, as the "invading gods" had to come from somewhere.

And the book states that this is just the dragons' interpretation of the events. It probably didn't actually happen like the myth says. The book is just showing that from the dragons' point of view, they're victims justified in their hatred of other creatures (and gods other than their own) and Tiamat isn't actually a villain from their perspective. The book doesn't say whether or not they're right, it just shows their viewpoint.

 

[SkidAce]

They could easily make First World an active setting ...perhaps it no longer exists on the Prime Material Plane, but exists "outside time and space" - as a kind of eternal meta-world that underlies other worlds.

Preventing people from visiting the First World could be an additional reason for the "gods" to ban time travel/chronomancy.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

Preventing people from visiting the First World could be an additional reason for the "gods" to ban time travel/chronomancy.

. . . And why Vecna has been experimenting with time travel lately (according to Rime of the Frostmaiden).

 

[SkidAce]

I don't like the idea of dragons having created basically all of D&D and coming before everything else. Never been a huge fan if them in general. I prefer a more traditional deity-based cosmology, like Tolkien with Iluvatar, or Greyhawk and the Realms (both of which are similar). It'll be a lot easier to believe the dragon myth is just one interpretation when there's more than one interpretation.

Obviously just my preference.

Tiamat would like to discuss your distaste for her "traditional deity-based cosmology".

(i use Sumerian myths as the basis for my settings)

 

[Faolyn]

No, it really isn't. It's a poem, with a highly Platonized theological gloss.

It's a concept that could be used as the basis of a world. I never claimed it was an existing setting.

 

[Parmandur]

It's a concept that could be used as the basis of a world. I never claimed it was an existing setting.

I mean, I suppose thst anything could be used that way. Nothing in Fizban's suggests that to be likely.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Well, in the Elegy of the First World, the Dragons (Tiamat and Bahamut) only created the Material Plane and some of its inhabitants. A lot of others came from other planes of existence (Elves from Arvandor, for example). It hints that the Elemental Planes already existed and doesn't say whether or not the Feywild and Shadowfell were created by Bahamut and Tiamat. And although that it doesn't explicitly say it, the Outer Planes definitely predate the First World, as the "invading gods" had to come from somewhere.

And the book states that this is just the dragons' interpretation of the events. It probably didn't actually happen like the myth says. The book is just showing that from the dragons' point of view, they're victims justified in their hatred of other creatures (and gods other than their own) and Tiamat isn't actually a villain from their perspective. The book doesn't say whether or not they're right, it just shows their viewpoint.

I get it. We just don't have any other viewpoint at the moment. That's what I want.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Tiamat would like to discuss your distaste for her "traditional deity-based cosmology".

(i use Sumerian myths as the basis for my settings)


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D&D's Tiamat is decidedly not from Sumerian myth. I'll actually be very surprised if the historical pantheon make it back into the revised DMG (or the PH, I don't remember where they are). It makes better business sense for them to use that space to push the brand.

 

[Tonguez]

I don't like the idea of dragons having created basically all of D&D and coming before everything else. Never been a huge fan if them in general. I prefer a more traditional deity-based cosmology, like Tolkien with Iluvatar, or Greyhawk and the Realms (both of which are similar). It'll be a lot easier to believe the dragon myth is just one interpretation when there's more than one interpretation.

Obviously just my preference.

Breathe, dragons; sing of the First World, scattered in infinite seedling realities.
Sing of Bahamut and Tiamat, watching its sundering, mourning their labor.

the text of the Elegy doesnt actually say it was created ex nihilo by Bahamut and Tiamat, just that they watched the sundering of their laboor.

no reason not to have the Dragons be wrong and allow Primordial dieties before the first dragons