What do you think of Marvel post-Endgame?

[Tonguez]

Marvel always had a problem with villians.

Thanos was good because of the long build up and because his motivation kinda made sense for him and he was not a generic megalomaniac.

And I liked Ronan because his one-dimension character fit what he was supposed to be.

But which other Marvel throwaway villian was done well?

Hela
Emil Blonsky
Original Loki (before they made him an anti-hero)
Tony Stark

 

[wicked cool]

Marvel always had a problem with villians.

Thanos was good because of the long build up and because his motivation kinda made sense for him and he was not a generic megalomaniac.

And I liked Ronan because his one-dimension character fit what he was supposed to be.

But which other Marvel throwaway villian was done well?

well other than Thanos who makes up 2 movies

Killmonger-might be one of the best

vulture-i thought they did a good job with him. Keaton has now appeared in another movie

winter soldier-obviously now a hero but a good villian in the movies

kingpin on netflix-great villian. probably one of the 2 reasons daredevil was so good

Loki-became a good guy but a good villian

 

[wicked cool]

I hadn't realized that The Boys, Peaky Blinders, and Stranger Things shared cast between the three series that needed to be written out because they could not attend filmings, like Dr. Strange was with WandaVision. Or that those three series had interlocking story arcs that were redone because release order changed fairly drastically because of differing country Covid requirements.

Sorry, none of your examples address the impact of Covid on the Marvel movies.

my argument is they succeeded in a time of covid. theres other shows that have international casts that also suceeded.Sure they were delayed in some cases . maybe disney rushed it as their streaming service couldnt be delayed. Its still an excuse and a poor 1. cant be a disney thing as the mandalorian seemed to succeed. Now cumberbatch didnt stop acting during this time and fiege actually said that strange didnt appear due to them not wanting to take away from scarlet witch. Covid wasnt a factor

 

[Hex08]

other than the last spiderman movie i think they are a big step back from the best of phase 1. i did enjoy the last strange movie as it felt like a what if story.

I think this is part of the problem with people's expectations. Why are we comparing the current crop of MCU movies to the best of phase 1? If that's the bar then very few will hit it. Iron Man was great and while there have been some movies that hit that bar it still stands as one of the best MCU movies, IMO.

 

[Hex08]

my argument is they succeeded in a time of covid. theres other shows that have international casts that also suceeded.Sure they were delayed in some cases . maybe disney rushed it as their streaming service couldnt be delayed. Its still an excuse and a poor 1. cant be a disney thing as the mandalorian seemed to succeed. Now cumberbatch didnt stop acting during this time and fiege actually said that strange didnt appear due to them not wanting to take away from scarlet witch. Covid wasnt a factor

Just because COVID wasn't a factor for some productions (and you are probably downplaying that a bit) it doesn't mean it wasn't a factor for others. Both can be true at the same time. Just like some restaurants survived the pandemic and others didn't, situations vary and painting every production with the same brush is probably a bit reductionist.

 

[DeviousQuail]

I enjoyed the experience of seeing all of these movies in theaters. None of them were top tier offerings but each one had enough good stuff to outweigh the bad/dumb. The decision to do shows and movies that all tie together has been a big swing for the MCU. It has let them try some different stuff alongside more traditional Marvel offerings. The jury is still out on whether this was a good idea but so far I like it.

This phase of movies, as much as Feige doesn't want us calling it that, still feels small. We've had 6 movies but realistically only 4 that feel like they actually belong to this new phase. Black Widow should've been in Phase 3 and I treat it as such. Far From Home also felt like an epilogue to Phase 3 instead of something meant to kick off another phase. That leaves Shang Chi, Eternals, No Way Home, and MoM. Each of those movies explored new territory and have broadened the scope of what's in play for the future of the MCU. That's really cool and even if these movies aren't the best of the MCU I think they are setting the stage for what is to come.

 

[wicked cool]

Just because COVID wasn't a factor for some productions (and you are probably downplaying that a bit) it doesn't mean it wasn't a factor for others. Both can be true at the same time. Just like some restaurants survived the pandemic and others didn't, situations vary and painting every production with the same brush is probably a bit reductionist.

you could be right

a good test for this argument will be the new mission impossible movie. Well documented that covid caused problems during production .

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

What do I think of Marvel post-Endgame?

...I don't think of Marvel. The first (and only) post-Endgame thing I've seen was Spider Man: We Like Titles With Home In It, but that's because I was on a 12 hour plane flight and why not?

The inter-connection of the MCU, which was a strength, is now a weakness with all the TV shows ... for me. I have AppleTV+, HBO Max, Paramount+, and Netflix. There are already approximately a billion good shows and movies I want to watch (right now I am behind on Borgen and WeCrashed). Plus I have been out of the movie-going habit for some time (I watched Tenet in theaters, and ... that's it).

I just don't want to commit the time it would take to watch the MCU anymore. I don't have any real desire to have the StarWars/MCU ... Disney+ channel. Between all the media I already watch, the sports I like to watch, working, travel, doing things with friends and family ... the MCU seems more like an obligation than a treat.

PS- Andrew Garfield was pretty good in the Spider Man movie. But the best parts of that movie were the callbacks to the pre-MCU movies! Seriously, you can sum it up with- (1) Doctor Strange is a moron, (2) They fridged Marisa Tomei, (3) the whole movie made everything before meaningless, but (4) Willem Dafoe is da bomb, so it was okay.

 

[Stalker0]

I think this is part of the problem with people's expectations. Why are we comparing the current crop of MCU movies to the best of phase 1?

Because people's expectations increase as time goes on. A movie that used 90s CGI would be blasted today....because we can do better. The thinking goes, we have seen where the Marvel formula "works" and when it "fails". So why can't the filmmakers take the best of the marvel movies, and apply those lessons to keep making movies of that quality?

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Because people's expectations increase as time goes on. A movie that used 90s CGI would be blasted today....because we can do better. The thinking goes, we have seen where the Marvel formula "works" and when it "fails". So why can't the filmmakers take the best of the marvel movies, and apply those lessons to keep making movies of that quality?

....well, when you put it like that, it's pretty easy!

Hey, stupid Hollywood people! Just make movies, you know, BUT BETTER! Do the stuff that's good, and more ... and the stuff that sucks?

Stop doing that.