DTRPG Says 'Don't criticize us or we'll ban you'

[Myrdin Potter]

This is an exaggeration right? I don't recall him ever being a racist...

Second person to call others Nazis in this thread. I called the other on it and they blocked me.

Tiresome - don’t like them, must be Nazis.

There are a whole bunch of people that at least market that they are at different extremes of views (hard to figure out if this is just an attempt at marketing or their real personalities shining through).

Raggi got caught up in the Zac S. debacle and is a target now. He has consistently been advocating for the right to publish some what edgy (sexist/overly sexual) material for as long as I have seen him as a publisher.

I agree that OBS “overtly political” wording is pretty out there, but they basically are saying don’t make it easy to drag us into your political fights and don’t be so gross that it is embarrassing to carry your work.

There is nothing that says this is for any specific spectrum of political speech.

I can see how come they don’t want that type of attention directed at them. Waste of resources when Twitter warriors get riled up and start mass reporting content.

I have found that DTRPG has always leaned towards being more permissive than less permissive with the mature category.

 

[Staffan]

Those outlets don't reach the majority of the customer base, and I find myself doubtful that advertising can make up for missing out on such a large swathe of the potential market.

MCDM seems to be doing fine selling through their own storefront without using DTRPG. And that's a dude who started doing Youtube videos and then publishing stuff based on the thoughts and ideas from those videos, and expanded from there. There's nothing Matt Colville has done that couldn't be done by someone else with the same skills and talents.

 

[Bedrockgames]

MCDM seems to be doing fine selling through their own storefront without using DTRPG. And that's a dude who started doing Youtube videos and then publishing stuff based on the thoughts and ideas from those videos, and expanded from there. There's nothing Matt Colville has done that couldn't be done by someone else with the same skills and talents.

Just something to consider here (and I this isn't so much about monopolies and OBS but just making sure people have a clear sense of what is viable should they want to get into RPG publishing): very few people have Matt Colville's natural charisma on camera, his reach and audience, and success on a platform like youtube. Those are certainly things people do have, but those are some of the major reasons he can operate with his own store front (if I recall he essentially already had built up a potential customer base with his channel). And kudos to him. He is very talented and insightful. But if you just leap into publishing like that, and all you have is some initial funding and maybe a youtube channel, that isn't an outcome most people should expect. For most people having that kind of reach and audience on youtube or a blog is going to be hard to reach and maintain. The marketing side is probably the hardest part of RPG publishing after design itself.

 

[Staffan]

Just something to consider here (and I this isn't so much about monopolies and OBS but just making sure people have a clear sense of what is viable should they want to get into RPG publishing): very few people have Matt Colville's natural charisma on camera, his reach and audience, and success on a platform like youtube. Those are certainly things people do have, but those are some of the major reasons he can operate with his own store front (if I recall he essentially already had built up a potential customer base with his channel). And kudos to him. He is very talented and insightful. But if you just leap into publishing like that, and all you have is some initial funding and maybe a youtube channel, that isn't an outcome most people should expect. For most people having that kind of reach and audience on youtube or a blog is going to be hard to reach and maintain. The marketing side is probably the hardest part of RPG publishing after design itself.

Sure. It's harder. And if you're not Matt Colville*, DTRPG can help you reach more people. But they are not obligated to. It is clearly possible to reach success outside of the DTRPG ecosystem which makes it hard to argue that they have any sort of "monopoly power".

* Also if you are Matt Colville. I'm sure he could reach more people via DTRPG, but perhaps not enough of them to accept their terms.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Sure. It's harder. And if you're not Matt Colville*, DTRPG can help you reach more people. But they are not obligated to. It is clearly possible to reach success outside of the DTRPG ecosystem which makes it hard to argue that they have any sort of "monopoly power".

* Also if you are Matt Colville. I'm sure he could reach more people via DTRPG, but perhaps not enough of them to accept their terms.

Like I said, I think the monopoly debate has run its course. I’ve put my two cents on that one and people have weighed in with alternate positions. I don’t see much value in making the same points again. I said this not to bring up that debate again but do people understand the realities of achieving what Colville has (mainly for thosecontemplating jumping into Publudhing).

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Why are we giving so much oxygen to people protect abusers that have worked for them (Raggi) and have alt-right and white supremecist associations and leanings (Satanis), and think they speak for the OSR, causing many nerds to associate those behaviors much too strongly with the OSR as it is?

 

[Jahydin]

Why are we giving so much oxygen to people protect abusers that have worked for them (Raggi) and have alt-right and white supremecist associations and leanings (Satanis), and think they speak for the OSR, causing many nerds to associate those behaviors much too strongly with the OSR as it is?

As someone who buys Lamentation products: because not everyone is into boycotting art just because the artist is a flawed jerk?

Using your logic, Spotify would be 10% is current size, haha.

 

[Morrus]

very few people have Matt Colville's natural charisma on camera, his reach and audience, and success on a platform like youtube.

Well, aside from the personal aspects, most of that is stuff he built over a period of years. He also didn't have his reach and audience, and success on a platform like youtube at first. Don't mistake the product of hard work for mere luck.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Well, aside from the personal aspects, most of that is stuff he built over a period of years. He also didn't have his reach and audience, and success on a platform like youtube at first. Don't mistake the product of hard work for mere luck.

To be clear, I wasn't reducing his success to luck. I just was making the point that there is a lot behind a success like that.

 

[Myrdin Potter]

The question being asked is about supposed “alt right leanings” etc. The question is - where do you draw the line on not carrying vs. not buying.

I don’t buy Venger’s really weak attempts at satire because I think they are not interesting RPG material and based on other similar things he has done they are written at like a 10 year old level. Plus the persona around it turns me off.

So I don’t buy it. My choice.

Campaigning to make them unavailable at all on one of the big platforms? Not going to agree with that.

And OBS (brother of original white wolf guy) has always been willing to be pretty broad in what they carry. They just don’t want increased an unprofitable hassle directed at them.