Basic D&D Was Selling 600,000+/Year At One Point

Recently Ben Riggs shared some sales figures of AD&D 1st Edition. Now he has shared figures for Basic D&D from 1979-1995, and during the early 80s is was selling 500-700K copies per year. Ben Riggs' book, Slaying the Dragon, which is a history of TSR-era D&D, comes out soon, and you can pre-order your copy now. https://read.macmillan.com/lp/slaying-the-dragon/ You can compare these...

Recently Ben Riggs shared some sales figures of AD&D 1st Edition. Now he has shared figures for Basic D&D from 1979-1995, and during the early 80s is was selling 500-700K copies per year.

Ben Riggs' book, Slaying the Dragon, which is a history of TSR-era D&D, comes out soon, and you can pre-order your copy now.


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You can compare these figures to those of AD&D 1E in the same period. Basic D&D sold higher than AD&D's PHB and DMG combined for 4 years running, again in the early 80s.

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If you take a look at the overall sales from 1979-1995, here are the two beside each other (again, this is just PHB and DMG, so it doesn't include the Monster Manual, Unearthed Arcana, etc.)

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More actual D&D sales numbers!

Below you will find the sales numbers of Basic D&D, and then two charts comparing those to the sales of AD&D 1st edition. For those who don’t know, early in its life, the tree of D&D was split in half. On the one side there was D&D, an RPG designed to bring beginners into the game. It was simpler, and didn’t try to have rules for everything.
On the other side there was Advanced Dungeons & Dragons, Gary Gygax’s attempt to throw a net around the world and then shove it into rulebooks. The game was so detailed that it provided rules on how Armor Class changed depending on what hand your PC held their shield in. (It may also have been an attempt to cut D&D co-creator Dave Arneson out of royalties…)

I am frankly shocked at how well Basic D&D sold. Having discovered AD&D 2nd edition in the 90s, I thought of “Dungeons & Dragons” as a sort of baby game of mashed peas and steamed potatoes. It was for people not ready for the full meal that was AD&D. (I have since learned how wrong I was to dismiss the beauty of what Holmes, Moldvay, Mentzer, Cook, et al created for us in those wondrous BECMI boxed sets…)

I figured that Basic D&D was just a series of intro products, but over its lifetime, it actually outsold AD&D 1st edition. (Partly because 1st edition was replaced by 2nd edition in 1989. I’ll start rolling out the 2nd ed numbers tomorrow FYI.) These numbers would explain why in a 1980 Dragon article Gygax spoke of AD&D not being “abandoned.”
Still, between 1980 and 1984, Basic outsold AD&D. The strong numbers for Basic D&D prompt a few questions. Where was the strength of the brand? Were these two lines of products in competition with each other? Was one “real” D&D? And why did TSR stop supporting Basic D&D in the 90s?

The only one of those questions I will hazard is the last one. A source told me that because TSR CEO Lorraine Williams did not want to generate royalties for Gary Gygax or Dave Arneson, Basic D&D was left to wither on the vine.

I will also say this: TSR will die in 1997 of a thousand cuts, but the one underlying all of them was a failure of the company to grow its customer base. TSR wanted its D&D players to migrate over to AD&D, but what if they didn’t? What if they wanted to keep playing D&D, and TSR simply stopped making the product they wanted to buy? What if TSR walked away from what may have been hundreds of thousands of customers because of a sort of personal vendetta?

Tomorrow, I’ll post numbers for 2nd edition AD&D, and comparisons for it with Basic and 1st edition.

And if you don’t know, I have a book of D&D history coming out in a couple weeks. If you find me interesting, you can preorder in the first comment below!

Also, I'll post raw sales numbers below for the interested.
 

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FitzTheRuke

Legend
Depends who you talk to exact figures on early D&D isn't known.

I've seen figures of 1million+ through to 1.5 million for 1E, 2E highest I've seen is 750k with early sales of 280k (from Dancey).

I guess it's possible. Still seems off to me, just on gut. I mean, I'm not giving too much weight to my own sales. (My store sold more 4e than I did 3.5 and I would never try to claim that 4e was overall more successful than 3.5 was!) My knowledge goes further than my own store, but like you say, these numbers have never been properly released, so who knows?
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I guess it's possible. Still seems off to me, just on gut. I mean, I'm not giving too much weight to my own sales. (My store sold more 4e than I did 3.5 and I would never try to claim that 4e was overall more successful than 3.5 was!) My knowledge goes further than my own store, but like you say, these numbers have never been properly released, so who knows?

Sone numbers were thrown around 2012/13 at pax east iirc presentation by Paizo iirc. Lisa went through them in aftermath of TSR collapse.

From memory it's something like.

1E 1+ million-1.5
2E 750k
3.0 500k+ (300k+ year 1 Dancey)
3.5 250-350
Pathfinder 250k

It's been a while though grain of salt. It's known 3.5 collapsed market in 2004.

Overall downward trend though.
 

FitzTheRuke

Legend
Sone numbers were thrown around 2012/13 at pax east iirc presentation by Paizo iirc. Lisa went through them in aftermath of TSR collapse.

From memory it's something like.

1E 1+ million-1.5
2E 750k
The article you posted says that the 1e Monster Manual had an initial print of 20k and year one sales of 50k.

3.0 500k+ (300k+ year 1 Dancey)
3.5 250-350
Pathfinder 250k

It's been a while though grain of salt. It's known 3.5 collapsed market in 2004.

Overall downward trend though.
Is Paizo seriously trying to claim that Pathfinder sold as many copies as the low estimate for 3.5? Again, is this Lifetime to Lifetime? Because that sounds utterly impossible to me.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
The article you posted seems to say that the 1e Monsters Manual had a first print run of 20k and sold 50k in its first year.

That's what it claims I made no reference to MM. That site tracks the secondary market has for years.

D&D peaked later though 81-83 year on year growth maybe 80 as well I can't remember.
 

Sone numbers were thrown around 2012/13 at pax east iirc presentation by Paizo iirc. Lisa went through them in aftermath of TSR collapse.

From memory it's something like.

1E 1+ million-1.5
2E 750k
3.0 500k+ (300k+ year 1 Dancey)
3.5 250-350
Pathfinder 250k

It's been a while though grain of salt. It's known 3.5 collapsed market in 2004.

Overall downward trend though.
Really? I always thought that each edition had outsold the previous one. I guess that I was wrong...
 


Zardnaar

Legend
4e definitely did not outsell 3.5, but otherwise I would have thought so. We could both be wrong, but then, so could these questionable numbers.

I think it may have outsold 3.5 at least on release.

It didn't last though and got outsold by Pathfinder perhaps as early as 2009 but got reported 2010.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Really? I always thought that each edition had outsold the previous one. I guess that I was wrong...

Nope.

They like claiming that but you have to be careful how they word it. Usually it's things like presales or year 1.

3.5 didn't do that well relative to 3.0. 4E probably outsold it initially maybe even lifetime sales no one knows though.

Most of 4E were early with people buying blind it would seem. You can guess the reaction.
 
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