Spelljammer Dark Sun confirmed? Or, the mysterious case of the dissappearing Spelljammer article...

[Charlaquin]

You know who else isn't interested in psionics?
Most of the fans. That's why every attempt keeps getting ripped up after feedback

Or to be more specific, most of the fans like the concepts of the various psionic sub/classes, and don’t want to have to learn another magic system to play them.

 

[Micah Sweet]

You know who else isn't interested in psionics?
Most of the fans. That's why every attempt keeps getting ripped up after feedback

You'd think there would be far less acrimony about it if most of the fans didn't care, as you say.

 

[Yaarel]

Or to be more specific, most of the fans like the concepts of the various psionic sub/classes, and don’t want to have to learn another magic system to play them.

Also, I want the concepts to keep on enjoying future support from 5e designers.

A one-off abandoned fringe mechanics that never again sees the light of day − is the opposite of what I want.

 

[Charlaquin]

most fans are not ripping it apart they literally never heard of it.
you got psionic fans with more infighting than political movements and the group who hate psionics being in the game under any situation.
the latter two are more likely to be what is being dealt with.
even if psionics are a no go can we at least get something new I want fire lit in my imagination something different from generic fantasy class number 14?

From what WotC have said, it seems that both the psionic fans and the psionic haters are a significant minority now. Most of the players (who, it’s true, have never played D&D where psionics were a separate subsystem) are saying “that sounds cool, please just let me play it without re-inventing the wheel first.”

 

[Micah Sweet]

From what WotC have said, it seems that both the psionic fans and the psionic haters are a significant minority now. Most of the players (who, it’s true, have never played D&D where psionics were a separate subsystem) are saying “that sounds cool, please just let me play it without re-inventing the wheel first.”

This supports my point that WotC dithered on the psionic question until the influx of new fans without an opinion about it outweighed those who do. The easy way out.

 

[Parmandur]

firstly ranger is a class as is bard high standards are clearly not in place.
secondly please clarify this point"The easy way out is to just make more and more Classes. Limitations are a challenge."
thirdly instead of class bloat, we have subclass bloat which is different in no way that matters.
fourthly nothing gets people talking more than a new class and setting and races they got down fine but other stuff is needed to sell more books.

In 3E and 4E, WotC pumped out Classes left, right, and center. It didn't work out well. Making more is easy, making something people want is the challenge.

There isn't much evidence that I can see that more and more Classes excite most people.

 

[Parmandur]

most fans are not ripping it apart they literally never heard of it.
you got psionic fans with more infighting than political movements and the group who hate psionics being in the game under any situation.
the latter two are more likely to be what is being dealt with.
even if psionics are a no go can we at least get something new I want fire lit in my imagination something different from generic fantasy class number 14?

I mean, there probably won't be a 14th Class anytime soon, if ever.

 

[Charlaquin]

This supports my point that WotC dithered on the psionic question until the influx of new fans without an opinion about it outweighed those who do. The easy way out.

Well, the inability for the early 5e fan base to agree on what they wanted out of psionics is to blame for that.

 

[Parmandur]

Well, the inability for the early 5e fan base to agree on what they wanted out of psionics is to blame for that.

Every single Edition has taken a radically different approach. Even 3.5 totally changed Pauonics, more than it did the Core Classes. There hasn't been any approach that has stuck, or been archetypal.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Well, the inability for the early 5e fan base to agree on what they wanted out of psionics is to blame for that.

WotC could have made that decision on their own. Not every mechanic in 5e was subject to public approval prior to publish. They chose to do nothing because players couldn't agree, and so we have nothing.