D&D (2024) Dungeons and Dragons future? Ray Winninger gives a nod to Mike Shea's proposed changes.

[CleverNickName]

That's weird. I get wanting 5E to end, in part I do, too. But only because I love RPGs and D&D and 5E doesn't do what I want. But, there are other versions of D&D out there that do, so no problem. Being left out kinda sucks thought. But to think they'll do a complete rewrite when the sales are increasing, is nonsense. But then, thinking they're going to intentionally obsolete books they just reprinted is a bit out there, too.

Yeah, some of these arguments were really petty. Stuff like "I don' t want 5E to be the longest-running edition," or "I want 5E fans to feel what it was like when (X) Edition got discontinued," or "take THAT, Matt Mercer!" It was on Reddit, after all.

Personal grudges aside, it's just absurd to think that Wizards of the Coast is going to discontinue a product line when its sales and player base are both at all-time highs (and still increasing).

I would be a lot more onboard with Team Evergreen if there were more robust optional rules in the main books. Some of the modularity they promised in the playtest...oh so long ago.

Same here. For example, I would like to see the psionic subclasses in Tasha's get moved to the Dungeon Master's Guide under a more robust "Optional Rules" section for Psionics, rather than leaving them in the Player's Handbook. I want them to include psionics in the core rules, but I want psionics to truly be modular--something that can be added easily by choice, instead of included by default.

 

[Sacrosanct]

As someone who is currently releasing a 5e project (Twilight Fables), it's a sigh of relief that my design of TF has incorporated some of these elements:

• Include Tasha Upgrades​

• Provide Less Problematic Race Descriptions​

It means that my book is utilizing some of the go-forward designs WoTC will be using in the new edition, keeping it relevant for a while. For once I feel a bit ahead of the game lol.

 

[Parmandur]

A while ago on Reddit, there was a discussion about the "upcoming edition" of D&D, and people were quickly divided into two camps.

One group insists that it will be a complete rewrite, a brand-new edition, the oft-mentioned 6E. They insist that Wizards of the Coast is going to discontinue 5th Edition in order to sell a whole new product line. This camp says that all of the crosstalk about "5E compatibility" will boil down to brief notes for converting your stuff to the new edition...like the conversion notes for converting 3.5E to 4E, and for converting 4E to 5E. Most of it was wishful thinking, in my opinion: some people genuinely want 5E to end.

The other group insists that they are going to bundle all of the 5E books into a revised set of the core rules, and call it "the Deluxe Edition" or something. They insist that this new book will just be a reprint of the core rulebooks plus the added material from Xanathar's, Tasha's, Fizban's, and so forth. This camp insists that we've already seen everything that they are going to include, and it's intended as an item of convenience--a way to have everything neatly in one place. Most of it was wishful thinking as well, in my opinion: some people genuinely want 5E to be the elusive 'evergreen' edition of D&D.

Obviously, the new product will fall somewhere between the two camps. But it sounds like it'll land a lot closer to Team Evergreen.

I think T3am Evergreen is correct, but that they will it 6E anyways. But mostly stick the marketing to "D&D" at any rate.

 

[pukunui]

But then, thinking they're going to intentionally obsolete books they just reprinted is a bit out there, too.

Well, it wouldn't be the first time they've done it, but I don't think that's part of their SOP any longer.

 

[overgeeked]

Well, it wouldn't be the first time they've done it, but I don't think that's part of their SOP any longer.

Yeah. I totally get the cynicism about editions and half editions and promises of backwards compatibility. Though I wasn't playing 3X I was still paying attention. I can't imagine the anger fans must have felt about that.

 

[MockingBird]

This is good, I was really hoping the compatability is going to be fully backwards. I know it isn't "official" but this gives me hope.

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

If including Tasha's optional class features in core is the extent of their revision, I'll be sad.

While those changes were nice, some more deep tinkering is needed in some cases. I'm thinking 4E Monks, the bland progression of Fighters and Wizards, the ''table scraps'' feel of the Sorcerer chassis, extra spells for PHB's Rangers etc

My hope is that a ''revisit'' of the PHB goes a little farther than just quality of life improvement without going full-on experimental.

 

[Warpiglet-7]

This is good, I was really hoping the compatability is going to be fully backwards. I know it isn't "official" but this gives me hope.

I had assumed I was not going to buy much.

However, if it really is compatible, I would love some good adventures and campaign settings to look over.

If they do an overhaul—a big one—-I am not making the shift. I have invested in 5e and we are just gaining steam with more than one group and getting the kids into playing.

Compatible means I cherry pick and keep buying some stuff here and there.

 

[Parmandur]

If including Tasha's optional class features in core is the extent of their revision, I'll be sad.

While those changes were nice, some more deep tinkering is needed in some cases. I'm thinking 4E Monks, the bland progression of Fighters and Wizards, the ''table scraps'' feel of the Sorcerer chassis, extra spells for PHB's Rangers etc

My hope is that a ''revisit'' of the PHB goes a little farther than just quality of life improvement without going full-on experimental.

Tasha's is probably about as experimental as D&D will ever be again.

 

[CleverNickName]

Tasha's is probably about as experimental as D&D will ever be again.

I think Unearthed Arcana will remain the experimental testing-ground for D&D mechanics and concepts, even after these new changes go into print.