D&D (2024) Dungeons and Dragons future? Ray Winninger gives a nod to Mike Shea's proposed changes.

[Parmandur]

I was talking to my friend (a PF1 player) at GenCon that a new edition or update is likely in the next couple years. His comment, "it seems a little soon for that."
I explained to him that time moves differently now that we're adults, and that 5e has already been out longer than many other editions. He has lamented not even really delved into this edition, that he was waiting to introduce his group to it until it had "settled in."
I know this anecdote isn't really relevant to the current conversation, but I found it amusing. And it's also worth noting that gamers who don't buy stuff are obviously not the target audience.

I mean, gosh, 8 years. That's more than 3E and 3.5 combined.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

It is possible that a smaller fraction of those folks buy the new book. At a certain level it could be bad. How many previous PHB buyers are not paying attention to D&D marketing now and won’t know if a new PHB drops?

But if they can maintain current levels of PHB sales or close to it it’ll be a success.

Note I dint think the above is a certainty.

okay. Please don't tag me again. I am giving up on this arguemnt. you win

 

[payn]

I mean, gosh, 8 years. That's more than 3E and 3.5 combined.

I know this is a joke, but if you took the 3E to 3.5 to PF1 route, that is 15-20 years with basically the same edition. It's very easy to loose track of specifics in that haul.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Uhhh….that’s not what I said.

I said it’s more fun. Meaning, I’d rather have to make decisions and use my abilities to get sneak attack than just attack any target from anywhere and get it automatically. Even if it’s not “hard”.

Funny how people complain that the fighter is just “I attack” but the rogue requires even the tiniest bit more interactivity and the reaction is “why can’t it be automatic?”

Not the same thing, at all. If rogues are supposed to get their bonus damage all the time, there's no reason to gate it behind advantage while simultaneously making it easy for them to get advantage.

 

[overgeeked]

It's not possible.to be 100% clear at all times. That's why iteration is helpful.

Absolutely.

Some people misunderstood the rules, so they provided a patch to help tableproof the Rogue and other Classes.

The rules were unclear, hence the misunderstanding. The designers could have table-proofed the rogue if they'd designed their intent clearly into the class. The designers meant for the rogue to always get their sneak attack damage. The designers then obfuscated that fact behind conditions for getting sneak attack damage and stealth rules that were unclear and open to interpretation. So it's an own goal if ever there was one. They could have 1) simply made the rogues sneak attack damage a regular thing they can just do, like say the battlemaster's superiority dice, or; 2) they could have made the stealth rules more clear, or; 3) both. They chose 4) none of the above.

Not in 5E, not since 3.x really. And no, multiclassing and Feats have never come into play in my experience for 5E.

Wow. I honestly think you're the only person I've ever talked to that hasn't used one or the other. Come to think of it, I don't know anyone who hasn't used feats.

 

[Micah Sweet]

And?

Seems to me that a lot of current players won't care if the books have a small amount of changes, because any amount of new material is fine to spend their cash on and they'll buy them. It's $200 and we have 2 years to save our cash to buy them. For some of us, putting $8 a month in our sock drawer for when the times comes is not that much of an issue.

Yet more evidence that I don't understand a lot of current players.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Some people eschew the book content altogether and just buy art! Wacky I know!

I would never buy a game book primarily for the art. It is incomprehensible to me.

 

[delericho]

@Yaarel is predicting it will happen in the '24 edition. I think they are probably correct that "race" will be dropped, but I am not sure the replacement will be "species."

Until about a week ago, I would have agreed with this. However, given the size of the change required (one word), I would have expected the new Starter Set to make the change and be done, and yet the pregens for that one still use 'race'.

So I wouldn't be surprised either way - keep it, or change it.

 

[Micah Sweet]

And there are some of us who would like changes that will never happen (like me), but it is not big deal if can do them myself easily.

Again, if you can and often do do it yourself, why drop $200 on a set of barely changed books?

 

[Micah Sweet]

You give and you take as DM. If the rogue has to have conditions to do sneak attack then as a DM you can take that away and preserve verisimilitude. Like a mage needing to be able to talk and wiggle their fingers.

If you can take it away, then it shouldn't be intended that you should have it all the time. Pick a side, WotC.