D&D (2024) Dungeons and Dragons future? Ray Winninger gives a nod to Mike Shea's proposed changes.

[Micah Sweet]

There are lots of decisions and abilities that come into play in 5e. Or a least there can be, depending on what and/or how you play.

Sadly, not in character advancement past level 3. After that, the choices are nearly all made for you.

 

[DEFCON 1]

Yet more evidence that I don't understand a lot of current players.

Why is it important to you to understand current players?

You only play with your own players. So they're the only ones you need to understand. Understanding me gets you nothing.

 

[darjr]

That has nothing to do with WotC's intention that those rules be the new standard from the moment they were conceived and subsequently published.

Agreed. It’s why I’m glad they are hinting at their approach.

Still I think he has a point. I think house ruling is an unseperable part of it. It’s also one reason I like 5e, it’s one of the editions that embraced that, imho.

 

[overgeeked]

They did. You can take it away as a DM. The “all the time” is a straw man.

In the PHB the referee could take it away. With the revision of the class in Tasha's the referee can no longer take it away, couple that with the designers flat out saying it was their intent that the rogue could always use sneak attack, and presto..."all the time." As long as the rogue can take bonus actions they get sneak attack damage. Other than slow is there anything in the game that takes away a PCs' ability to take bonus actions?

 

[darjr]

5e will have been out for 10 years if it's released in August of 2024. And visually it's the same book as it was in 2014 right now - no change to the art or to the trade dress. Not even a different logo. It's kind of wild to me that that's the case - 3e and 4e both got revisions during their shorter runs. 1e got a facelift with new cover art about midway through it's over 10 year run and 2e not only got new covers it also got entirely new internal art midway through its 10 year run. A 5e PHB book on the shelf today is indistinguishable on the outside from a 5e PHB book sold in 2014. It's kind of wild when you think about it.

There have been subtle changes.
For instance the cover, it’s more embossed, at least it seems like it to me.
Also I think the binding has changed a couple times.
And the paper and printing too. I think. It feels different anyway.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Sure that's understandable. But there's a difference between "what I want" and "what I think Wizards is going to do" or even "what I think makes the most financial sense for Wizards to do".

What I want is for them to put out a perfect game by my standards. What I think makes the most financial sense for Wizards to do is to look at the sell through on their current 5e rulebooks and see if they can sustain that sell through for as long as possible. If their sell through really is as good as everything suggests it is then they would be foolish to change the game in a major way at this point even if they do it in ways that I think make for a better game because they are far more likely to kill the golden goose that is pumping out golden eggs for them right now than they are to do anything else. The time for a major shake-up edition is when the game has fallen into the doldrums and sales are bad - you don't make major changes to a game when sales are at an all time high.

Then why make changes at all? Especially ones like the rewrites on races and monsters that are guaranteed to not make everyone happy.

 

[darjr]

In the PHB the referee could take it away. With the revision of the class in Tasha's the referee can no longer take it away, couple that with the designers flat out saying it was their intent that the rogue could always use sneak attack, and presto..."all the time." As long as the rogue can take bonus actions they get sneak attack damage. Other than slow is there anything in the game that takes away a PCs' ability to take bonus actions?

Tied up and bound? Honest question, I can’t look it up at the moment.

 

[overgeeked]

Tied up and bound?

Cool. So the rogue gets to sneak attack as long as they're not tied and bound or effected by the slow spell. But otherwise all the time.

 

[OB1]

In the PHB the referee could take it away. With the revision of the class in Tasha's the referee can no longer take it away, couple that with the designers flat out saying it was their intent that the rogue could always use sneak attack, and presto..."all the time." As long as the rogue can take bonus actions they get sneak attack damage. Other than slow is there anything in the game that takes away a PCs' ability to take bonus actions?

No, but having disadvantage on the roll (from invisibility or many other possibilities) does negate the sneak attack from Steady Aim.

 

[Argyle King]

A while ago on Reddit, there was a discussion about the "upcoming edition" of D&D, and people were quickly divided into two camps.

One group insists...

The other group insists that they are going to bundle all of the 5E books into a revised set of the core rules, and call it "the Deluxe Edition" or something. They insist that this new book will just be a reprint of the core rulebooks plus the added material from Xanathar's, Tasha's, Fizban's, and so forth. This camp insists that we've already seen everything that they are going to include, and it's intended as an item of convenience--a way to have everything neatly in one place. Most of it was wishful thinking as well, in my opinion: some people genuinely want 5E to be the elusive 'evergreen' edition of D&D.

Obviously, the new product will fall somewhere between the two camps. But it sounds like it'll land a lot closer to Team Evergreen.

Funny enough, one of the last books for 3rd Edition was a Rules Compendium. The nice organized bundle of rules was put out right before the Edition was put out to pasture.


Edit: I looked up the dates to refresh my memory.

3E Rules Compendium - October 2007
4E PHB, DMG, and MM - June 2008