D&D 5E What (if anything) do you find "wrong" with 5E?

[GMforPowergamers]

I mean ... that's balderdash. Claptrap. Hogwash. Bosh. Codswallop.

5e's popularity is so far beyond prior versions that this is the equivalent of saying, "Sure, I know we're renting the apartment, but I really wanted to remodel the whole thing!"

nope... we know every edition sells better then the one before and that right now D&D is on an upswing in pop culture... nothing in this shows 5e to be any better or any worse then any other edition (It isn't better then the one I hate and wont play again, it isn't worse then my favorite) just that each edition gets bigger and that the current pop culture is helping D&D

Counterpoint- yes, there is.

Or, to avoid the ouroboros of "I know you are, but what am I?" argument that you seem to want to indulge in ... there are numerous sources, from icv2 (posted here) to Hasbro quarterlies to Amazon rankings to popularity over time (as referenced in a nomber of tracking sources) that can be used.

and not one of those shows what machanics people do or don't like

 

[Garthanos]

it is bearly even able to bee seen blurry in the distance... take attacks vs AC... your prof will go from +2 through +6 but in 4e will go from 0-+10 (capping at 20 for fairness) that change is pretty big

you have zero auto advancement in 5e... if you dont train you get none. They removed that feature. so the 0 to 10 was removed not translated just like the first tier in 5e levels from 1 to 4 were never included in 4e.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

nope... we know every edition sells better then the one before

Actually, we don't know that. Not even close. We do know that shortly after the release of new editions they trumpet something .... but we do not have comprehensive data to tell us that.

Wait ... do you have it? Do share!

and that right now D&D is on an upswing in pop culture... nothing in this shows 5e to be any better or any worse then any other edition (It isn't better then the one I hate and wont play again, it isn't worse then my favorite) just that each edition gets bigger and that the current pop culture is helping D&D

This is an interesting claim! I mean that sincerely. At no time until 5e would I say that D&D was as big as it was in the early 80s. So ......

and not one of those shows what machanics people do or don't like

That wasn't what we were talking about, was it?

As for the mechanics, we do know how WoTC makes decisions on surveys, and we do know what they've surveyed.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

you have zero auto advancement in 5e... if you dont train you get none. They removed that feature. so the 0 to 10 was removed not translated just like the first tier in 5e levels from 1 to 4 were never included in 4e.

i'm sorry but what are you even talking about?

My mage can take prof in history, never pick up a book or train in game, just fight through dungeons... and at level 5 my prof goes up by 1.

if you dont train you get none

does this mean if in your game a fighter doesn't use a bow from game 1 oxp level 1 through level 12 then picks one up he can't use his prof in it?

 

[payn]

nope... we know every edition sells better then the one before and that right now D&D is on an upswing in pop culture... nothing in this shows 5e to be any better or any worse then any other edition (It isn't better then the one I hate and wont play again, it isn't worse then my favorite) just that each edition gets bigger and that the current pop culture is helping D&D

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we only know this about the initial print of CRB/DMG/MM?

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Actually, we don't know that. Not even close. We do know that shortly after the release of new editions they trumpet something .... but we do not have comprehensive data to tell us that.

now you want to draw the line of taking what WotC says?

This is an interesting claim! I mean that sincerely. At no time until 5e would I say that D&D was as big as it was in the early 80s. So ......

so? I don't understand. Do you not see the same thing with comic heroes sci fi fantasy... the cultural change?

That wasn't what we were talking about, was it?

As for the mechanics, we do know how WoTC makes decisions on surveys, and we do know what they've surveyed.

sure it was... you were saying just a little while ago about how psionics are provable to not be popular... but you can only show that no version they put out passed the mustard...

 

[Warpiglet-7]

Anecdota is all we ever have LOL. The plethora of attempts to create homebrew always implied dissatisfaction the very first thing homebrewed in 1e, I always saw was the magic system (vancian is now all but vanished 4e had the default flavor of its system as vancian by the way). See that is an anecdote too. The 5e magic system its not vancian but slots are very weird a lot players I have seen do not seem to grok them.

You got a “like” for honesty.

We tinkered with magic in 1e and ended up with spell slots like 5e! All back in the late 80s.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we only know this about the initial print of CRB/DMG/MM?

I don't know what CRB is but we know that the core 3 books sell better then any splat... we know that the core 3 of 5e out sold 4e, we know the core 3 of 4e out sold 3.5... on back to 2e... we do not have before 2e (although maybe in that new book).

of course all of this is taking WotC at there word... and I am fine with throwing all of that out... but that then means we have less info not more.

 

[Garthanos]

does this mean if in your game a fighter doesn't use a bow from game 1 oxp level 1 through level 12 then picks one up he can't use his prof in it?

5e calls it being proficient 4e called it being trained (not referring to real world training but game jargon)
An non proficient history user remains at +0 every level there after in 5e

In 4e you do not have to be trained (proficient) in something to get +0 to +10. level buffs you get them regardless of whether you are "trained/proficient"

 

[Garthanos]

You could call it general proficiency or adventuring proficiency if you wanted to translate it back into 5e space.