D&D (2024) All about Ardlings

[Ruin Explorer]

It kinda is how "idyllic" gets used in English normally.

At best it means, "rural" and "charming".

But quaint and luddite are its connotations.

No?

I mean, not in British-English real-world usage.

As someone who has been using that word since I was a kid, and hearing it used, I have never once, in British-English, heard it used imply "quaint", "backwards", "anti-technology", let alone "luddite" (as in active machine smashing). I heard it used just last week about a place I was staying (not by me), which was anything but "luddite" - great wife, modern kitchen, modern utilities etc. in general.

If there's a book or something where you remember it being used that way, I'd be fascinated to know what that is.

Idyllic means basic "quiet and beautiful" in typical British English usage. Usually there's the implication of natural beauty. Somewhere you could chillax. Like seriously chillax. A idyll. Now, a "rural idyll" which is a common phrase does obviously imply rural because the word is literally there, and rural can imply quaint/backwards but absolutely does not imply luddism.

 

[Yaarel]

No?

I mean, not in British-English real-world usage.

As someone who has been using that word since I was a kid, and hearing it used, I have never once, in British-English, heard it used imply "quaint", "backwards", "anti-technology", let alone "luddite" (as in active machine smashing). I heard it used just last week about a place I was staying (not by me), which was anything but "luddite" - great wife, modern kitchen, modern utilities etc. in general.

If there's a book or something where you remember it being used that way, I'd be fascinated to know what that is.

Idyllic means basic "quiet and beautiful" in typical British English usage. Usually there's the implication of natural beauty. Somewhere you could chillax. Like seriously chillax. A idyll. Now, a "rural idyll" which is a common phrase does obviously imply rural because the word is literally there, and rural can imply quaint/backwards but absolutely does not imply luddism.

Paradise isnt "quiet".

 

[Yaarel]

Yeah, but I'm guessing that Adam and Eve didn't clear-cut the Garden of Eden and set up a lumber mill to recycle the Tree of Knowledge into a quaint cottage.

The concept of a "paradise" is a sacred orchard, a kind of shrine made out of an exquisitely cultivated garden.

The practice constructing a sacred orchard is important across southwest Asia. The concept and even the practice continues on today in various cultures.

The phrase "Gan Eden" literally means a "pleasure garden", in the sense of a botanical garden, an orchard of different kinds of trees.

Possibly, Asgard too, if relating to Troy in Turkey is a kind of sacred pleasure garden, where the nornir cultivate the cosmic tree Yggdrasil.

Paradise is "ideal" but it is the fruit of human work and maintenance. It is a cosmic sacred work.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Paradise isnt "quiet".

You keep saying this, but that's not what most people believe. You seem to have like some kind of awesome take on the Garden of Eden that may be correct (it's an interesting reading), but like:

A) That's not the only paradise.

B) Everyone else thinks paradise is quiet, and this is typically reflected in, oh I dunno, 90-95% of Western and frankly Eastern literature, film, TV, and just media in general depictions of paradise.

 

[Yaarel]

You keep saying this, but that's not what most people believe. You seem to have like some kind of awesome take on the Garden of Eden that may be correct (it's an interesting reading), but like:

A) That's not the only paradise.

B) Everyone else thinks paradise is quiet, and this is typically reflected in, oh I dunno, 90-95% of Western and frankly Eastern literature, film, TV, and just media in general depictions of paradise.

I think most people associate paradise with a "perfection" that includes "sensuality", even sexuality.

Paradise is sensorially vibrant and active, even while divinely blissful.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Paradise is "ideal" but it is the fruit of human work and maintenance. It is a cosmic sacred work.

This is not a view anywhere near as common as you are suggesting, and even where I can think of Western examples of it being true, it's very light kind of "off-screen" cultivation. The view of England as a paradise, a "green and pleasant land", "new Jerusalem" is absolutely one that includes some cultivation, but it's not cultivation that we're meant to think about, it's cultivation that "other people" do. Maybe you do a little pruning or whatever, lazily do some weeding, but it's not some sort of high-effort industrious gardening like at Kew Gardens or something - it's more like you're a visitor at Kew Gardens than an employee of Kew Gardens.

Also, you're just wrong re: Idyllic whether you acknowledge it or not. It has nothing to do with luddism or anti-tech.

 

[Yaarel]

This is not a view anywhere near as common as you are suggesting, and even where I can think of Western examples of it being true, it's very light kind of "off-screen" cultivation. The view of England as a paradise, a "green and pleasant land", "new Jerusalem" is absolutely one that includes some cultivation, but it's not cultivation that we're meant to think about, it's cultivation that "other people" do. Maybe you do a little pruning or whatever, lazily do some weeding, but it's not some sort of high-effort industrious gardening like at Kew Gardens or something - it's more like you're a visitor at Kew Gardens than an employee of Kew Gardens.

Also, you're just wrong re: Idyllic whether you acknowledge it or not. It has nothing to do with luddism or anti-tech.

In paradise − the gardeners and the visitors of the Kew Gardens are the very same people.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I think most people associate paradise with a "perfection" that includes "sensuality", even sexuality.

It is sensorially vibrant, even while divinely blissful.

I absolutely agree.

That doesn't imply work, or that the perfection is man-made. It is natural, or of god or the gods.

You can have paradises that are man-made, but guess what? The people who see them as paradises, are not the people who maintain them, not the people who work on them.

In paradise − the gardeners and the visitors of the Kew Gardens are the very same people.

Examples. And don't give me the Garden of Eden because that's interesting reading but it's not a mainstream one.

 

[MarkB]

The concept of a "paradise" is a sacred orchard, a kind of shrine made out of an exquisitely cultivated garden.

The practice constructing a sacred orchard is important across southwest Asia. The concept and even the practice continues on today in various cultures.

The phrase "Gan Eden" literally means a "pleasure garden", in the sense of a botanical garden, an orchard of different kinds of trees.

Possibly, Asgard too, if relating to Troy in Turkey is a kind of sacred pleasure garden, where the nornir cultivate the cosmic tree Yggdrasil.

Paradise is "ideal" but it is the fruit of human work and maintenance. It is a cosmic sacred work.

 

[Corinnguard]

SCAG suggests thst Mulan Tieflings might be Egyptian style animal headed people, particularly if they are Aristoc4ats. The Pharoh of Mulhorand is easily reinterpreted as an Ardling, UT let's be teal, once they are in the PHB theybwill be all over rthe FR.

True. If the Ardlings survive the playtesting process as is. We do have a year and a half before 1D&D officially comes out. A lot can happen between now and then.