D&D (2024) One D&D Expert Classes Playtest Document Is Live

The One D&D Expert Class playest document is now available to download. You can access it by signing into your D&D Beyond account at the link below. It contains three classes -- bard, rogue, and ranger, along with three associated subclasses (College of Lore, Thief, and Hunter), plus a number of feats. https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/one-dnd

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The One D&D Expert Class playest document is now available to download. You can access it by signing into your D&D Beyond account at the link below. It contains three classes -- bard, rogue, and ranger, along with three associated subclasses (College of Lore, Thief, and Hunter), plus a number of feats.

 

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Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
I think they'll have a different or boosted mechanism re: spell preparation. My expectation is something like they have memorization equal to slots AND they can cast any spell from their spellbook so long as it's present, maybe PB/long rest times (or even just all the time at some kind of minor cost).
Well, so far it’s seeming like the new norm is prepare spells from the appropriate list equal to spell slots, and also get some number of spells that are always prepared. Seems like the obvious thing to do with wizards is have their spellbook be those always prepared spells.
 

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Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
The non-casting camp should win, IMNSHO. You can always add spells through subclass(es) or multiclassing, but you can’t take it away.
I mean, I obviously agree, being a part of that camp myself. However, WotC seems to be pushing for more casting for rangers, not less. Here’s hoping enough of us give consistent enough feedback about this to convince them that a non-casting option is worth including.
 

I'm not seeing anything that Katniss does to make her not a fighter or rogue or couldn't be done with those classes, outside of class based mechanics for inspiring a revolution (which ranger also wouldn't have). She sneaks around and shoots people with a bow. She knows natural hazards and lays some traps, which is using the survival skill or tool proficiencies. She applies healing poultices with the Medicine skill or Herbalism kit tool proficiency. Yeah, she doesn't use magic. She's from a world where it doesn't exist.

I don't think that's enough to base a class and 4 subclasses on when rogue and fighter already exist. Now, if you want to argue those classes don't get enough cool stuff and meaningful choices, I would definitely agree. And sadly the rogue appears weaker than the one already out now (though Ranger and Bard also appear worse to me), so I'm not holding out any hope that the fighter won't be more of the same garbage.
By this logic, Rangers should never have existed in the first place, because they're based on Aragorn, who does even less "Ranger stuff" than Katniss (quite a lot less), and also doesn't do magic.

You seem to be using an entirely circular definition of a Ranger, which is that, they have magic, and in order to be a Ranger, they have to have magic, otherwise they're just a Fighter.

It's completely and profoundly missing the point of classes. Classes exist to embody fantasies. WotC have said this on multiple occasions, note. They do understand that, at least conceptually. The fantasy of being "A Katniss type" or "An Aragorn type" is not handled at all by a Rogue, and not handled well by a Fighter.

Katniss' main thing is she's extremely skilled - Fighters aren't. Katniss isn't armoured. Isn't in the military. Isn't trained in any kind of tactics and doesn't have a wide range of weapons. But she's also not some kind of backstabber or Thief. And as you point out, she uses traps a ton, uses natural hazards, and particularly knowledge of nature (which her opponents are shown to lack) to defeat people. She knows and understands terrain and nature - something Rangers did in 5E, but no longer do in 1D&D, I note. Something Rogues and Fighters do not do. She's absolutely what people think of when you say Ranger. Even if you read the 5E description of a Ranger, she's a good match for 6 of 7 paragraphs (a far better match than with Rogue or Fighter, I note), with only the two random and out of place-seeming lines about Rangers knowing magic not fitting.

If we're at the point where we're denying people who obviously fit the pop-culture archetype of a Ranger are Rangers, just because they don't have magic, we can see there's a problem.
 

Haplo781

Legend
I really think they either need to do this or split the ranger into two classes - one that’s a caster and one that isn’t. There’s just no way a single class is going to satisfy what everyone wants from the ranger, especially when the casting and non-casting camps are so thoroughly entrenched.
 

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Digdude

Just a dude with a shovel, looking for the past.
Unpopular opinion, since rangers are now outdoors spell casters, maybe let only them cast spells like LTH.
 

overgeeked

B/X Known World
I misspoke, two different words and meanings to represent the same thing in game terms. So why not use one term? This is why I theorized that that could change in a future class that we have yet to see or to be backwards compatible? Maybe I am just reading too much into this, lol.
The only overlap is the number. They're distinct terms with distinct meanings.
 




If WotC had to make a non-magical Ranger, there's a better than slim chance that they would just remove the spell access from the current Ranger and call it a day. I think the only way to have any kind of a playable Ranger is the sort we currently have.
 

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