D&D (2024) One D&D Expert Classes Playtest Document Is Live

The One D&D Expert Class playest document is now available to download. You can access it by signing into your D&D Beyond account at the link below. It contains three classes -- bard, rogue, and ranger, along with three associated subclasses (College of Lore, Thief, and Hunter), plus a number of feats.

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[Minigiant]

How exactly would you argue that? On the face of it, I cannot see how that would possibly argued rationally and with examples. Do you mean assert without evidence, rather than argue?

I mean Aragorn is a high level ranger and the high level 5e ranger has the attributes associated with Aragorn as the spell list and class features were tailor more to him without additional elements not associated to him like animal companions.

 

[Remathilis]

Honestly I’d love to give the bard the same treatment I’d give the Ranger: custom magical effects, not standard spellcasting from a list.

I'm sure the 1,000 page PHB with a unique magic system for all classes will be awesome. But if you can't get WotC to create 10 different magic systems, spell slots is fine.

 

[Faolyn]

No more than animal friendship does. Good grief it’s practically word for word copy pasted from the spell right down to the bit about food.

As @darjr pput it, it's not a spell. It doesn't matter if it's a copypaste. What matters is that the ranger can do, by dint of nonmagical knowledge and ability, what everyone else requires magic to do.

It's like the difference between someone who can carve a statue and someone who downloads the stl files someone else made and 3d prints the same statue.

 

[Olrox17]

I'm sure the 1,000 page PHB with a unique magic system for all classes will be awesome. But if you can't get WotC to create 10 different magic systems, spell slots is fine.

Yeah, a PHB with a dozen pages for each individual class, just to give each of them their own list of abilities? Never seen that before

(Tried to attach the cover image of a 4e PHB here, but the Enworld forum decided to not do that and ruined my joke.)

 

[Remathilis]

Yeah, a PHB with a dozen pages for each individual class, just to give each of them their own list of abilities? Never seen that before

(Tried to attach the cover image of a 4e PHB here, but the Enworld forum decided to not do that and ruined my joke.)

I mean, if they had stapled PHB 1, 2 and 3 together as one book, I could see it. But Pelor save me from waiting three years to play my monk PC again...

 

[Olrox17]

I mean, if they had stapled PHB 1, 2 and 3 together as one book, I could see it. But Pelor save me from waiting three years to play my monk PC again...

Warlock and Warlord on PHB1, with no Bard, Barbarian, Druid, Sorcerer and Monk. That was quite ballsy on WotC's part, back then.

 

[Bill Zebub]

I'm sure the 1,000 page PHB with a unique magic system for all classes will be awesome. But if you can't get WotC to create 10 different magic systems, spell slots is fine.

Oh, was that sarcasm/hyperbole?

It wouldn't have to be an entirely different magic system with its own spell descriptions. It could be a couple pages of flavorful, bard-specific special abilities. Seems to work for Barbarian, Monk, etc.

 

[Olrox17]

Oh, was that sarcasm/hyperbole?

It wouldn't have to be an entirely different magic system with its own spell descriptions. It could be a couple pages of flavorful, bard-specific special abilities. Seems to work for Barbarian, Monk, etc.

The Warlock with its various invocations is a good example IMO.

 

[Bill Zebub]

The Warlock with its various invocations is a good example IMO.

Yeah that’s one thing I’m imagining. I would love to see Bard, Ranger, and maybe even Paladin look more like Warlock invocations, with Cleric, Druid, Sorcerer, and Wizard using full spellcasting.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

Yeah that’s one thing I’m imagining. I would love to see Bard, Ranger, and maybe even Paladin look more like Warlock invocations, with Cleric, Druid, Sorcerer, and Wizard using full spellcasting.

If I were designing OneD&D, every class would be designed more like the Warlock class. Every class would get a "Pact Boon" (Fighting Style for Martial Characters, Channel Divinity for Priests, etc) and "Eldritch Invocations" (Battlemaster Maneuvers for Martial Characters, Metamagic for Mages, Infusions for Artificers, etc).