D&D General Should players be aware of their own high and low rolls?

[Maxperson]

In both cases the result is failure in this example.

@GMforPowergamers is correct. The result isn't what makes them the same or different. The process is. With one the task is impossible and there's no roll. With the other the PC had a chance of success and maybe even a very good chance of success and simply did poorly. They are very different even if the result is the same.

The DM is tasked with determining for all action declarations if a check of some kind is appropriate. This is just the normal process of play. Sometimes things fail outright. Sometimes they have an uncertain outcome and a meaningful consequence for failure so the DM calls for a roll.

This is true, though the bolded being from the DMG is just a guideline and not a rule.

 

[iserith]

Whenever I point out seeing people posting about how the DM has UNLIMITED POWER and going way too far with it, they demand I catalog every single instance in triplicate, double spaced, front and back and notarized before they believe me, so I'm collecting receipts.

Well hopefully you see that my quote is in the context of discussing an approach to the game I do not use nor approve of, and any subsequent reposting of the same will include that context.

 

[Thomas Shey]

correct, but it isn't me (maybe leofan or something?) that person went so far as to not being able to imagine narrating a failure without trying to cheat it into a success

I wasn't, in fact, referring to you here; I was just noting it was a position someone one the no-metagaming side had.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Well hopefully you see that my quote is in the context of discussing an approach to the game I do not use nor approve of, and any subsequent reposting of the same will include that context.

Yeah, I'm hard pressed to how someone would see how you expressed that as approving of that fact.

 

[iserith]

@GMforPowergamers is correct. The result isn't what makes them the same or different. The process is. With one the task is impossible and there's no roll. With the other the PC had a chance of success and maybe even a very good chance of success and simply did poorly. They are very different even if the result is the same.

The process is the same though - the DM always determines if a roll is appropriate because they determine whether the task succeeds, fails, or has uncertainty as to the outcome and a meaningful consequence for failure.

This is true, though the bolded being from the DMG is just a guideline and not a rule.

"If it supports my argument, it's a rule. If it does not support my argument, it's just a guideline."

 

[Bill Zebub]

Whenever I point out seeing people posting about how the DM has UNLIMITED POWER and going way too far with it, they demand I catalog every single instance in triplicate, double spaced, front and back and notarized before they believe me, so I'm collecting receipts.

Show me one post where somebody asked for you to notarize your evidence.

(That was a joke.)

Edit: although, maybe there’s a point: I tend to see people asking for examples when the claims about other posters are hyperbolic.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Well hopefully you see that my quote is in the context of discussing an approach to the game I do not use nor approve of, and any subsequent reposting of the same will include that context.

My mistake. Reading while pretending to be taking part in a meeting.

 

[iserith]

My mistake. Reading while pretending to be taking part in a meeting.

No worries, that's what meetings are for.

 

[Bill Zebub]

No worries, that's what meetings are for.

Child care, too!

 

[GMforPowergamers]

My mistake. Reading while pretending to be taking part in a meeting.

when* I loose my job for doing something major wrong I am 99% sure it will be becuse my mind was taken up by D&D stuff one way or the other

*yeah I assume it will happen so when not if