Dragonlance Dragonlance Shadow of the Dragon Queen shows up in the wild!

[MonsterEnvy]

I don't think it should be that way.

That’s fair and I hope it changes comes 1D&D myself. But this is how it currently is

 

[Micah Sweet]

I am pretty sure a 10th level party of 4 gets their ass kicked by him. Like now I feel he is being super downplayed.

My party of 9th level characters just took a dragon with double Soth's hit points. One PC went down but recovered quickly.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Soth is

That’s fair and I hope it changes comes 1D&D myself. But this is how it currently is

6e is not going to change that, imo. They want things to be even easier.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

According to Kobold Fight Club, CR 19 is Deadly before level 14. In my experience that is not true at all, especially for solos. Action economy accounts for A LOT in 5E.

Soth is more dangerous than most I would say, Word of Death has a high chance of putting any sub 100 hp character down right away and the fight is then 3 v 1 instead of 4.

 

[overgeeked]

6e is not going to change that, imo. They want things to be even easier.

So much power creep just in the background mechanics changes, to say nothing of actual race and class power creep. But that’s what you get for having players drive design. They want everything to be easier and easier. Go figure.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

6e is not going to change that, imo. They want things to be even easier.

Explicitly the opposite, they already expressed interest in making combat more challenging and are planning on playtesting new monsters and encounter building stuff.

 

[Maxperson]

Death being able to be undone does not change the definitions. Character death is stated as the primary risk, not party wipes.

Sure it does. It's not a challenge unless it's a risk to the whole group. Death being nearly as trivial as a cure spell means that a PC dying doesn't mean anything. It's just like being knocked out only for a bit longer than 6 seconds.

 

[Maxperson]

No a Challenge is a test of ability by definition, it does not have to be difficult.

Right. Something easy does not test your ability. To test it, it has to be difficult. A challenge. For example. Give the world record weightlifter a 2 pound weight to test how strong he is. It's going to be easy and not a challenge. It's also not going to test how strong he is. To test how strong he is, you need weight near or at his max ability to lift. THAT is a challenge for him.

 

[Maxperson]

That’s fair and I hope it changes comes 1D&D myself. But this is how it currently is

Right. Currently CR is useless for figuring out what challenges a group. It might as well not even be there.

 

[Maxperson]

According to Kobold Fight Club, CR 19 is Deadly before level 14. In my experience that is not true at all, especially for solos. Action economy accounts for A LOT in 5E.

Yeah, which is why all high level monsters should have legendary actions. They help mitigate that action economy loss.