It is logic. If you actually bothered to read my posts upthread, you would understand that.
Again, no. this is a complete misreading of history.
You should check your history if you think that.
You do realize that England got invaded like a million times right? By all sorts of groups. And those groups didn't leave, nor did they exterminate the existing population. And that's just invaders - like the Scandinavians, what would become the French, the Germans, and any number of other groups. We know for a fact that the Romans brought legionnaires from Africa. You figure that in the, what, five centuries or so of Roman rule, none of those people stayed? Never married into the families?
LOL a million times? Way to exaggerate.
Yeah, all sorts of groups invaded, and a lot of them DID leave. After pillaging and killing and taking slaves back with them. The same thing has happened over and over all through history. And entire populations of people were wiped out.
Sure, some of them stayed. So what? They still represent a minority of the people they stayed with.
People were pretty darn tolerant of the people who spent money in their shops and brought trade goods.
Right, and they were pretty darn tolerant of invaders who slaughtered entire villages...
I have to admit, I absolutely love how these conversations go.
A. Why do you like pineapple on your pizza?
B. Well, I love this, that and the other thing about pineapple on my pizza.
C. I hate pineapple on my pizza and my reasoning is based on logic, so, therefore pineapple on pizza is terrible.
B. But, I was asked why I like pineapple on pizza. No one asked you why you don't like it.
A: No, C is right. Pineapple on pizza is just bad.
B. Uhhh,
I have to admit how I love when people chime into the middle of discussions without
actually knowing what they are talking about. For example, your quote above, implying someone like myself is saying having lots of race is "just bad". I (for one) never said it was bad if OTHER people like it, but I know it isn't for me.
The first question in the OP was: Does that thought appeal to you? Which I answered.
And a lot of people have said "no" and expressed their reasons why. You might not agree with their logic, but it is still logic. It's not like I'm just saying "this is horrible" and haven't been offering my reasons when people have asked.
For example, one of my logical reasons is:
A lot of races makes each one feel less unique. The pool (so to say) becomes over saturated. What was once special and unique is now common and bland. "Hey, look fellas, another Leonin! That is like, what, the third one this week, right?"
Another problem with having too many races in your game world is player indecision. Should I play X or Y, maybe Z, oh, I just can't decide! Or examining all the races purely on mechanical preferences instead of making any attempt to cultivate their PC based on the choice of race, because this leads to the "humans in funny masks" issue.
It is the same reason having an abundance of magic, spellcasters, etc. in the game makes magic less "magical" and interesting because it is everywhere.
Anyway, read through the thread, plenty have people have stated an answer to the OP's first question and for some it is "just the way they like it" while for others it is (even if also) because it causes issues with their game they want to avoid.
But, my point is, it wasn't until fairly recently that anything like genocide occured.
Aha, right, here are some examples not quite "fairly recently":
Genocide Examples
- Native Americans in North America. From the time that Christopher Columbus first reached what would become the Americas, attempts were made at wiping out the indigenous people (often known as Native Americans, American Indians, or Amerindians). The vast majority of these were killed as a result of the diseases that Europeans brought. Although the Europeans were immune to these diseases, the Native Americans were not, causing as many as 100 million of them to die from sickness. Disease was used as a biological weapon against them, and throughout the 1700s and 1800s, the United States continued warring with the remaining natives.
- The Haiti Massacre. In an attempt to rid Haiti of its white population, Jean-Jacques Dessalines led a massacre between February and April of 1804, resulting in the deaths of up to 5,000 French Creoles of all ages and genders. According to Dessalines, the massacre was an attempt to preserve the nation. By 1805, only non-whites were legally allowed to own land or be considered citizens of Haiti.
- The Dzungar Massacre. The Dzungar were a nomadic empire that was at war with the Qing Dynasty in China in the 17th and 18th centuries. A campaign from the Qing government was aimed at the complete destruction of the people group, with 40% being killed by smallpox, 30% by massacre, and many of the remaining people fleeing the country to escape death. The result of the campaign was the collapse of the Dzungar state and the near-eradication of its people.
- Ethnic Cleansing of Circassia. Circassia, an area along coast of the Black Sea in Russia, was seen by the Tsarist Empire as a strategic necessity. For a century, Russia waged war against the Circassians, with more than 90% of the nation being annihilated or deported. According to some historians, this was the largest genocide of the 19th century, with up to 1.5 million Circassians being killed and the rest deported.
- The Holodomor. The Soviet Union was responsible for campaigns against many people groups during its existence. The Holodomor was an intentional famine caused by the Soviet government confiscating the whole harvest of 1933 in the Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and elsewhere, leaving the peasantry with no food to feed themselves. As many as ten million people starved to death across the Soviet Union as a result, the majority of them in Ukraine.
- The Holocaust. In one of the world's most infamous instances of genocide, the Holocaust was the attempt by the Nazi government to exterminate Europe's Jewish population. Concentration and mass extermination camps either worked Jews to death or gassed them, with approximately 6 million being killed. During the same period, Germany also attempted to exterminate other ethic groups, including Slavs, the Romani, and even the mentally handicapped. Estimates suggest that more than 16 million people were exterminated by the Nazi government before World War II came to an end in 1945.
Now, "genocide" is a relatively modern term. But wiping out and decimating regions was done by many ancient cultures (such as Rome vs. Carthage).
These peoples lived more or less side by side for a thousand years first
Aha, and had numerous wars, conflicts, and invasions between many of them...
But, the idea that any mixed population will always result in genocide - a point that has been argued repeatedly in this thread - or that no groups will ever mix, is just ridiculous.
Sure, if anyone was arguing
those things... I haven't been reading everyone's posts, so I don't know who might be doing
that!
I've personally stated that having 60+ races in a world would likely lead to most of them being destroyed (due to competition for resources, etc.), but never anything about "mixed populations" wiping one or another out. I've certainly never claimed "no groups will ever mix". But there certainly has been cultures in real life that have been very homogeneous and even xenophobic to a large degree.
Maybe you're reading more into people's comments than what is
actually there???