D&D (2024) New UA one D&D play test document Dec 1st.

[Maxperson]

It's basically a down time resurrection spell.

It's infinitely more than that. Why would you A) think it's just resurrection, and B) think that the god will raise the dead as the result?

 

[Maxperson]

Or d20 Test under proficiency bonus. Odds are a little better than the d100 under level but main thing is it allows Inspiration, Guidance etc to interact with it

Why would a cantrip be able to basically mind control a god and make them more likely to respond?

 

[Maxperson]

No I kind of agree with @FitzTheRuke. Divine intervention is one of those things that sound great in theory & on occasion even generate cool stories. The important part often overlooked is the constant "I want to try divine intervention" every session or two just to make an attempt where everyone sits on pins & needles waiting to see if bob gets a thing he's almost certain to not get.

I like the low chance for divine intervention from the deity. Deities are busy people. That said, there should be a greater chance if you fail of say an angel of some sort being sent to help. Like "If you roll a number equal to or lower than your Cleric level, the divine power intervenes. If you fail, but roll equal to or lower than 3 times your level, your god sends a divine servant to aid you."

 

[Maxperson]

It's awfully close to the design space of the paladin.

I don't really like the idea of the melee battle cleric at all(at least outside of say a war domain). If you want to play a holy warrior, there's a class for that.

 

[rules.mechanic]

Why would a cantrip be able to basically mind control a god and make them more likely to respond?

I'm assuming you'd have more luck guiding/inspiring the cleric to ask better, than you would by targeting the god. But I'm now tempted to give it a try next time I have cleric npc - they'd be due some heavy consequences! To be fair, the current "under-level" roll is more about the PC's reputation/seniority that it is about their skill (?proficiency) or talent/ability (?wisdom), so the current design intent may well be the god's roll rather than the cleric's

 

[Pauln6]

Just reverse it. 100% chance of success but roll over 100% minus twice your cleric level or be disintegrated by your god for impertinence.

 

[Kobold Stew]

One D&D strikes again!

And yet, how wrong I was. I have aclear sense of what they are thinking with this class, even though I didn't expect to based on one subclass (in part since Holy orders appears to integrate at least two subclasses into the main chassis for clerics.)

 

[tetrasodium]

I like the low chance for divine intervention from the deity. Deities are busy people. That said, there should be a greater chance if you fail of say an angel of some sort being sent to help. Like "If you roll a number equal to or lower than your Cleric level, the divine power intervenes. If you fail, but roll equal to or lower than 3 times your level, your god sends a divine servant to aid you."

So are thge rest of us. We come together for a couple hours each week to play d&d. Divine intervention means that someone is going to burn up a couple minutes each session hoping for a minimal role just to make the effort. On the off chance that they actually succeed everyone spends more time staring at each other & someone needs to decide on a result that's both useful & relevant to "It's a new day so I might as well"

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

Divine Intervention needs to be worded like Limited Wish from the Genie Warlock:

L11: As an action, you can speak your desire to your Genie's Vessel, requesting the effect of one spell that is 6th level or lower and has a casting time of 1 action. The spell can be from any class's spell list, and you don't need to meet the requirements in that spell, including costly components; the spell simply takes effect as part of this action.

Once you use this feature, you can't use it again until you finish 1d4 long rests.

Capstone: When you use Divine Intervention, you can choose spells from up to 7th or regain a number of Channel Divinity equal to half your proficiency bonus.

 

[Maxperson]

So are thge rest of us. We come together for a couple hours each week to play d&d. Divine intervention means that someone is going to burn up a couple minutes each session hoping for a minimal role just to make the effort. On the off chance that they actually succeed everyone spends more time staring at each other & someone needs to decide on a result that's both useful & relevant to "It's a new day so I might as well"

I don't see how success on one ability needs to be guaranteed for you to accomplish that. Are you going to ask for monsters to automatically miss all saving throws next? Because lots of caster turns are wasted on successful saves.

What I described where if you fail but get within 3x level with the roll and get a planar servant sent to help is plenty sufficient to make that ability very useful.