OneDnD New UA one D&D play test document Dec 1st.

darjr

I crit!
From the latest One D&D survey response video
UNEARTHED ARCANA


The document on December 1st is the third in a series of Unearthed Arcana articles that present material designed for the next version of the Player's Handbook. The material here uses the rules in the 2014 Player's Handbook, except where noted. Providing feedback on this document is one way you can help shape the next generation of D&D!
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Kobold Stew

Last Guy in the Airlock
Supporter
I have always thought that the Cleric was the best-designed class in 5e, since there was such a diversity of builds available (STR, DEX, WIS, CHA can all be primary stats and the class remains viable), and each subclass really felt different to play.

I am really hoping changes to the Cleric will not be substantial. (Plus, how many subclasses will we get? If it's just one (light/life, I'd guess) it will be hard to get a clear sense of what the class holds.
 
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tetrasodium

Legend
Supporter
I have always thought that the Cleric was the best-designed class in 5e, since there was such a diversity of builds available (STR, DEX, WIS, CHA can all be primary stats and the class remains viable), and each subclass really felt different to play.

I am really hoping changes to the Cleric will not be substantial. (Plus, how many subclasses will we get? If it's just one (light/life, I'd guess) it will be heard to get a clear sense of what the class holds.
I think (and hope to heck) that we will see significant change to the healing spells presented in the 2014 phb & possibly one or more variants of what happens at zero hp. Those are pretty important parts of the cleric as a class
 

Yaarel

Mind Mage
From the latest One D&D survey response video

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DarJr,

I appreciate you doing this kind of stuff. We hear if from you first!
 

Yaarel

Mind Mage
The video notes that the Cleric will be the only class in this playtest, with the Druid and Paladin following later (there will also be revised versions of the Ardling and Dragonborn). A bit disappointing to me, since I'd love to have a longer playtest document to try out over Christmas break.
The Cleric is a legacy class and important for 1dd to get right.

Maybe because the Rogue has always been popular it was possible to zoom thru it alongside Bard and Ranger.

I hope the Fighter similarly gets an entire UA dedicating to it by itself. It needs to be excellent for all of the different player styles.
 

Yaarel

Mind Mage
I hope the 1dd Cleric is less setting dependent − and able to work well for nontheistic flavors for various regions and worlds.

Anything relating to cosmology belongs in the DMs guide, not the Cleric class description.
 

Amrûnril

Adventurer
I hope the 1dd Cleric is less setting dependent − and able to work well for nontheistic flavors for various regions and worlds.

Anything relating to cosmology belongs in the DMs guide, not the Cleric class description.

I agree that cosmology belongs as DMG suggestions, but I've never had an issue using the Cleric class for non-theistic or non-religious characters. As long as the player and DM are on the same page flavor-wise, the actual mechanics are fairly agnostic with regard to power source.
 

Yaarel

Mind Mage
I agree that cosmology belongs as DMG suggestions, but I've never had an issue using the Cleric class for non-theistic or non-religious characters. As long as the player and DM are on the same page flavor-wise, the actual mechanics are fairly agnostic with regard to power source.
To me the flavor matters, in some ways more than the mechanics. I value mechanics and flavor equally.

I need the flavor of the Cleric class description to welcome nontheistic religious traditions as well as theistic ones. This also relates to reallife inclusivity. Not all players come from theistic cultures, nor are especially interested in theism.

The Cleric class works better when more inclusive. This likewise helps the class be more versatile for different kinds of D&D settings.

Setting including cosmology belongs in the DMs Guide. Not the Cleric class.
 

To me the flavor matters, in some ways more than the mechanics. I value mechanics and flavor equally.

I need the flavor of the Cleric class description to welcome nontheistic religious traditions as well as theistic ones. This also relates to reallife inclusivity. Not all players come from theistic cultures, nor are especially interested in theism.

The Cleric class works better when more inclusive. This likewise helps the class be more versatile for different kinds of D&D settings.

Setting including cosmology belongs in the DMs Guide. Not the Cleric class.
I don't agree cause of the Cleric's name. Cleric's are people of faith. And the default Cosmology should be part of the PHB.
 



Yaarel

Mind Mage
A system of religious belief. Not necessarily Christian.

"Faith: strong belief in a god or in the doctrines of a religion"
"Belief" is a Christian-centric ethnocentrism.

Many religions have zero "god" and zero "strong belief" in one.

Not all sacred traditions are "beliefs".

Many sacred traditions are about praxis (conduct) without belief (dogma).

Theism is ethnocentric and noninclusive.
 

"Belief" is a Christian-centric ethnocentrism.

Many religions zero "god" and zero "strong belief" in one.

Not all sacred traditions are "beliefs".

Many sacred traditions are about conduct.

Theism is ethnocentric and noninclusive.
You just ignored what I quoted. It even said "or the doctrines of a religion." You can have belief in a religion without a god. Belief just means you accept something is true.

Not even trying to debate you about the various types of religions. Just saying Clerics are people of faith who whole heartedly believe in their religion.
 

Yaarel

Mind Mage
You just ignored what I quoted. It even said "or the doctrines of a religion." You can have belief in a religion without a god. Belief just means you accept something is true.

Not even trying to debate you about the various types of religions. Just saying Clerics are people of faith who whole heartedly believe in their religion.
What you quoted is ethnocentric.

"Faith [= Christianity]:
strong belief [= Christianity]
in a god [= Christianity]
or in the doctrines of a religion"

The word "faith" is noninclusive.



"Clerics" include people without faith and without belief.

These clerics are officiate in a sacred tradition where faith and belief are irrelevant.
 

What you quoted is ethnocentric.

"Faith [= Christianity]:
strong belief [= Christianianity]
in a god [= Christianity]
or in the doctrines of a religion"

The word "faith" is noninclusive.
It is not. Faith is a word that applies to many many religions. I am not Christian, so I feel like you are being very disrespectful about this. I don't like the whole lumping everything together you do.
 



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