D&D (2024) New UA one D&D play test document Dec 1st.

[Blue]

I disagree. Attempting to limit discussion about how 5e avoids part of a specific & well known 3.5 problem to exclude mention of how it preserves the other half of that very same problem pretty much spotlights how severe the problem is.

There was no attempt to limit a discussion - that was the discussion that was being had: can the rules handle it. You are attempting to expand the discussion with points beyond the rules, which are not relevant for the discussion.

It's like if there was a discussion if horses or bicycles were faster over long distances, and you insist on talking about trains. Keeping something on-topic is acceptable.

 

[tetrasodium]

There was no attempt to limit a discussion - that was the discussion that was being had: can the rules handle it. You are attempting to expand the discussion with points beyond the rules, which are not relevant for the discussion.

It's like if there was a discussion if horses or bicycles were faster over long distances, and you insist on talking about trains. Keeping something on-topic is acceptable.

No there was a statement that you only had the echoes of 3.x if the gm goes against raw to bump the DCs but you get those echoes with strict RAW, pointing out how is not expanding the discussion so much as correcting a needlessly narrow focus on the type of echoes. The gm does not need to bump the DCs because there are too many ways to lhsmmer through the poorly arranged boundaries of bounded accuracy and one of those ways is to simply level a pc over time beyond the narrow band of levels BA was tuned for. IME that band seems to be tier one & early tier two.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Bounded accuracy works well in 5e.
Expertise is in a good spot.

It is just as in 3.x. Don't raise DCs because you as a DM don't like the rogue succeeding without magic.

Going back to ADnD, there was a big misconception about rogues skills.
They were not the only ones to move silently or listen at doors or climb. Everyone could move silently by rolling under dex, listen on doors by rolling under wis. Or climbing by rolling under str.

The rogue had a slim chance to do it, when it seemed impossible to do the task.
Transferred to 5e (and 3e btw.) it means, that you need to keep the DC low enough that everyone has a chance to succeed. But the rogue (or other expert with good stats) usually succeeds and might even succeed on a hard or very hard task.

The offender is not expertise, but the way, reliable talent is framed. I think, it should have been that your floor is 5 or 8. Or the way the barbarian ability works: substitute str or dex score for your roll total.