The OGL 1.1 is not an Open License

Art Waring

halozix.com
I am not even sure the 1.1 version will not simply be ignored. According to WotC's own FAQ it can be.

"Q: Can't Wizards of the Coast change the License in a way that I wouldn't like?

A: Yes, it could. However, the License already defines what will happen to content that has been previously distributed using an earlier version, in Section 9. As a result, even if Wizards made a change you disagreed with, you could continue to use an earlier, acceptable version at your option. In other words, there's no reason for Wizards to ever make a change that the community of people using the Open Gaming License would object to, because the community would just ignore the change anyway."
I posted that same quote from the wotc OGL FAQ, but people still seem to think the OGL is somehow going away. The disinformation is staggering.

Thanks to all the youtubers passing on misinformation as fact for clicks for the current state of things.
 

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mamba

Legend
Well it is OGL 1.0 but from my understanding of @pemerton's argument. If @permerton decides to distribute some derived work based on Dan's distribution of the SRD then his licence derives from Dan not from WoTC. He as no contractual connection to WoTC. Not sure if he as one with Dan.
the license under which Dan has to offer it and the license under which pemerton accepts it and has to abide by is still WotC’s OGL 1.0 however, so yes, he still has a contractual connection with WotC
 


agreed, found that yesterday too (after my reply). I based my original answer on what WotC said in the OP
If you really want to be safe in distributing software based on the OGL content, then use a open source license and make the source code available. Then there is no question that you are giving the software users the same permission to share and modify the open content as you had.

Like all IP issues there is no black and white just varying risk making the whole thing nuanced.

I admit I am a strong advocate of going the open source and open content route in most cases.
 

Umbran

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When @Umbran and others say there is no contract with WotC because (eg) there is no exchange of documents between the parties, they demonstrate their lack of familiarity with Carlill and similar cases.

Let us be clear : I MADE NO SUCH ASSERTION. I do not understand where you got the idea that I did.

In fact, I asserted that WotC cannot withdraw their offer of a contract (admittedly, I used flowery language, my apologies). The Carlill case you are citing works against you, because it is an example of an offer that could not be withdrawn!

This doesn't seem right to me. They would just have to retract the offer.

There is no mechanism for doing that. Indeed, the Carlill case you site is one in which the company could not retract an offer they'd made - so clearly you know this is possible.

You might want to go and re-read Carlill v Carbolic Smoke Ball Co. I've got a reasonable working knowledge of the common law of offer and acceptance. I've even pointed to section of the OGL that gives effect to that law, namely section 3 (operating in tandem with section 4).

Please educate me. What in Carlill is evidence that WotC can withdraw its offer? Because, as it stands, the case isn an example of the opposite.

An offer can be withdrawn. That's basic contract law, as best I know the same in the US as Australia and the UK.

That's generally true. But one can construct exceptions, and the stated intent in this instance was to do precisely that.

"I also had the goal that the release of the SRD would ensure that D&D in a format that I felt was true to its legacy could never be removed from the market by capricious decisions by its owners." - Ryan Dancey, Nov 23, 2010.

This doesn't seem right to me. They would just have to retract the offer.

There is no mechanism for doing so, because the offer and acceptance terms are contained within the license itself, which explicitly cannot be modified. Thus, once extended, the offer cannot be withdrawn. As above, this was intentional.

What legislation or common law principle are you saying precludes WotC from withdrawing an offer, once made but not taken up?

Again, the license contains its own offer and acceptance terms, and explicitly contains language that it may not be modified. In addition, there is no physical way for WotC to modify it - they cannot reach into other people's documents and alter them to remove the offer from the license.

Make no mistake, releasing things under the OGL is risky precisely because the licensor can't stop it once they've done so. The OGL is in many ways just a step or so off from just making the thing public domain.

You might want to go and re-read Carlill v Carbolic Smoke Ball Co. I've got a reasonable working knowledge of the common law of offer and acceptance. I've even pointed to section of the OGL that gives effect to that law, namely section 3 (operating in tandem with section 4).

Again - In Carlill, it was found that the offer was binding and enforceable, and the company could not withdraw. So, I fail to see how that argues against my point. Carlill establishes that unilateral, open ended offers are a thing.
 
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mamba

Legend
If you really want to be safe in distributing software based on the OGL content, then use a open source license and make the source code available. Then there is no question that you are giving the software users the same permission to share and modify the open content as you had.
I don’t think you can release the software as eg GPL and thereby cover your OGL obligations.

The OGL affects your software design because it is not enough to have the material in the source code and that code available to everyone (via the GPL).

“Distributing the source code not an acceptable method of compliance.”
 

FrogReaver

As long as i get to be the frog
I think that some of the issue is that other countries have varying degrees and lines where such licenses may be revocable. I think I was reading France is one such country that allows the owner to revoke anytime. I imagine most of the rest of Europe is somewhere between France and the u.s. On that issue. That may be why those from the u.s seem to understand it differently.
 



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