Almost every fantasy show is trying to be D&D or Game of Thrones

[billd91]

I think there's a fair bit of eugenics hidden in plain sight, in Star Wars. Luke was powerful because of his parentage/genetics. Rey was created from the genetic material of possibly the most powerful force user ever shown in the films, so was fast tracked to power.

That's the part where I think there is some bad writing. The story's better if Rey really is a nobody (as far as force aristocracy lineages go) like Kylo Ren taunts her. I can accept Snoke as a warped Palpatine clone attempt, but Rey as a grandchild of Palpatine was a bad story point.

 

[Ryujin]

That's the part where I think there is some bad writing. The story's better if Rey really is a nobody (as far as force aristocracy lineages go) like Kylo Ren taunts her. I can accept Snoke as a warped Palpatine clone attempt, but Rey as a grandchild of Palpatine was a bad story point.

I think that's part and parcel of the issue that we're discussing here, and in the other thread. Hollywood was trying to recapture the magic of the original trilogy and you can see the story beats clearly repeating, with a minor twist.

 

[Alzrius]

That's the part where I think there is some bad writing. The story's better if Rey really is a nobody (as far as force aristocracy lineages go) like Kylo Ren taunts her. I can accept Snoke as a warped Palpatine clone attempt, but Rey as a grandchild of Palpatine was a bad story point.

Along with Palpatine somehow having a force of ships that was "ten thousand-fold" greater than the First Orders' fleet, all with Death Star-style planet-busting weaponry, constructed and crewed in secret on a planet that supposedly could only be reached if you had one of two navigation aids.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

It feels like these writers are just activists with no actual writing potential and have been purposefully placed given that people at the top are happy to burn money.

Mod Note:

It feels like some people can’t help but blow dog whistles.

 

[billd91]

Along with Palpatine somehow having a force of ships that was "ten thousand-fold" greater than the First Orders' fleet, all with Death Star-style planet-busting weaponry, constructed and crewed in secret on a planet that supposedly could only be reached if you had one of two navigation aids.

Allow me to amend:

That's the part of Rey's story and characterization where I think there is some bad writing.
Palpatine's fleet... whoo boy.

 

[AnotherGuy]

I understand, and another recent thread we had dug into this with examples, that Hollywood runs principally on relationships.

Combine that with the facts that

a) Traditionally writers are seen as some of the most disposable and inessential personnel in the moviemaking business
and
b) People are constantly trying to break into the business, and writing a screenplay "on spec" is actually a concept

And despite my personal belief that good writing is the single most important factor in a good movie or show, it seems like this is a question with a pretty simple answer. There is a ton of supply, most of it is junk, and personal relationships are a bigger factor in who gets hired than who's actually the best writer.

I would happily buy your reasoning if it weren't for...

What they did to the Star Wars franchise with Rey
How they've written She-Hulk
What they did to Thor
Female Spock in STD
Guy-Ladriel in Rings of Power
Willow series which is Willow in name only
...etc the list goes on and on and on
Followed by what Tatiana Maslany had said in 2015 and what her and Emily Blunt said in this article.
That commonality amongst all these shows amongst 3 genres is big, too big in fact to swallow as some massive string of coincidences that just happened because of an excess of "bad writers"

 

[billd91]

That commonality amongst all these shows amongst 3 genres is big, too big in fact to swallow as some massive string of coincidences that just happened because of an excess of "bad writers"

Oh, there's another commonality at work here.

 

[Mannahnin]

I would happily buy your reasoning if it weren't for...

What they did to the Star Wars franchise with Rey
How they've written She-Hulk
What they did to Thor
Female Spock in STD
Guy-Ladriel in Rings of Power
Willow series which is Willow in name only
...etc the list goes on and on and on
Followed by what Tatiana Maslany had said in 2015 and what her and Emily Blunt said in this article.
That commonality amongst all these shows amongst 3 genres is big, too big in fact to swallow as some massive string of coincidences that just happened because of an excess of "bad writers"

Yeah, this is a load of nonsense. I think I sprained an eyeball reading that second link.

Tatiana Maslany and Emily Blunt's criticism of stereotyped lazy tropes has little to do with this silly "anti-woke" culture war garbage, and I suspect they'd say as much.

 

[MGibster]

There's a third type of emulation of Got, though I suppose that it falls into either the "bad writing" or "poor characterization" camps anyway. It's "sex and nudity for their own sake." some production companies decided that GoT must have been a success solely because of the nudity in it.

That's known as the Deathstalker emulation.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I would happily buy your reasoning if it weren't for...

How they've written She-Hulk
What they did to Thor

There sure is no more troubling trend than when Marvel Comics movies stick to the storylines and characterizations from Marvel Comics. ACTIVISM!

John Byrne created the tone of the She-Hulk character and future show in 1985.