New OGL - what would be acceptable? (+)

[Incenjucar]

The thing is 1.0 was a huge gimme to the D&D consumers. If we ask for OGL 1.0 back, we have to give WOTC/Hasbro something in return for all the lost potential profit we are cutting from them and the allowance of other companies to use 1.0 to compete with them.

Unless someone else is willing to pumping millions into matketing for a D&D clone, a failling 1dND makes the entire D&D ecosystem shrinks. And we lose a lot of what we have gained in 5e. People go back to video games, football, or TV as their main hobbies and the remainers lose.

I always felt that the 5e "Focus on pushing Core books, nostaglia adventures, and half-done supplements" was not sustainable for a modern capitalistic corporation. I was just waiting for something to come. No We as acommunity have to make a counter-offer.

And it can't be "Everything stays the same."

You don't owe a corporation anything unless you've signed a contract saying you do. As a company with a product, they need to convince us that we want to give them our money for it. WotC barely even puts out products anymore, so they're not trying to compete, they're either rent-seeking or attempting to drive the competition out so they don't have to put as much effort into their products.

It is also clearly sustainable as-is, because they are doing well as-is. As with any corporation, they want ALL the money, not just ENOUGH money.

 

[Minigiant]

You don't owe a corporation anything unless you've signed a contract saying you do. As a company with a product, they need to convince us that we want to give them our money for it. WotC barely even puts out products anymore, so they're not trying to compete, they're either rent-seeking or attempting to drive the competition out so they don't have to put as much effort into their products.

It is also clearly sustainable as-is, because they are doing well as-is. As with any corporation, they want ALL the money, not just ENOUGH money.

Of course. Corporations always want all the money. They however usually don't make a play for ALL unless they can. What we have to do is convince them that going to ALL would shrunk the market and counter with a LOT of a growing market. Say "100% of 10 is less that 50% of 100".

We have to offer them more than what they getting so they don't make the move for all and take D&D down with them.

There is no offering them the Same. It's More or Kaboom! That's how corporate works.

 

[reelo]

Okay? The greed monster is defeated. Then what?

1DND fails. Visibility of D&D plummets as their is no big player in the fantasy TTRPG market. And the fantasy TTPRG market and community collapses because their is no one pushing D&D to the mainstream to bring new people in and everyone losses money. Mass layoffs and everything shrinks?

I sure hope OneD&D fails. I really do. I hope it fails in such a way that D&D sinks into forgetfulness for a while, while people disperse to other games like PF, RuneQuest, Fate, TOR, etc...
Eventually it will rise up from the ashes under a new team, like a phoenix. Empires rise and fall. It's only natural. D&D is too big. It is destined to fail eventually.

 

[Incenjucar]

<deleting because I'm thinking I'm not positive enough for a + thread here>

 

[Bohandas]

Aren't rulests uncopyrightable to begin with?

 

[Minigiant]

I sure hope OneD&D fails. I really do. I hope it fails in such a way that D&D sinks into forgetfulness for a while, while people disperse to other games like PF, RuneQuest, Fate, TOR, etc...
Eventually it will rise up from the ashes under a new team, like a phoenix. Empires rise and fall. It's only natural. D&D is too big. It is destined to fail eventually.

Many of my favorite IPs are dead or zombie status. Returning from the dead isn't guaranteed.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

I sure hope OneD&D fails. I really do. I hope it fails in such a way that D&D sinks into forgetfulness for a while, while people disperse to other games like PF, RuneQuest, Fate, TOR, etc...
Eventually it will rise up from the ashes under a new team, like a phoenix. Empires rise and fall. It's only natural. D&D is too big. It is destined to fail eventually.

Nah I hope it does well, and regains people.

 

[Clint_L]

D&D is too big. It is destined to fail eventually.

That's how corporations work, not ideas. You might as well argue that chess is too big, thus destined to fail eventually.

Hasbro, however, will fail eventually. In fact, it is possible that their poor performance this year spawned all this. D&D, on the other hand, really is too big to fail. I would not be surprised to see it gobbled up by an even bigger corporation if Hasbro needs to sell assets. You don't think Disney and their ilk would love to get their hands on D&D?

Though this OGL business probably would give them or anyone else pause.

 

[Bohandas]

Okay? The greed monster is defeated. Then what?

1DND fails. Visibility of D&D plummets as their is no big player in the fantasy TTRPG market. And the fantasy TTPRG market and community collapses because their is no one pushing D&D to the mainstream to bring new people in and everyone losses money. Mass layoffs and everything shrinks?

There's plenty of alternatives to D&D on the market. It doesn't matter if one company fails as long as there are still similar products available to the consumer

 

[Minigiant]

There's plenty of alternatives to D&D on the market. It doesn't matter if one company fails as long as there are still similar products available to the consumer

It does matter.

They don't have the money to market D&D to fund the mainstream visibility to keep newcomers in and the 3PPs in business.

None of the 3PPs are big enough to keep the train going without taking in investors that would make them act just like WOTC and TSR.

D&D is barely leaving the niche hobby status. Loss of Big Money D&D would push it back to super niche.