OGL 1.2 survey is now live

[dave2008]

I hope your pupper is okay.

Thank you for your thoughts. He should be, they had him on dialysis last night to remove the toxins so I think that should eliminate any serious risk. I will know for sure later this morning!

 

[Xyxox]

I started thinking about the Survey and figured it was spammable. I checked and yes, it is. Although I did not submit a second response to the survey, it can most definitely be spammed with multiple submissions. This makes ANY results suspect at best and no better than a standard internet poll, which as everybody knows are completely meaningless.

 

[MNblockhead]

Basically everyone. Right now it's a pressure pot of nastiness causing people to make rash decisions, cancel Kickstarters, not complete projects they've been working on, etc. If WotC backed off completely that would give everyone time to do their thing until they found a better license, i.e. the ORC comes out. People would still be pissed and still likely move away from 5E and WotC over this, but at least the immediacy of it would die.

Nah, not "basically everyone." Sure, there will be a cooling off period. But if WotC took steps to clarify that OGL will not irrevocable and in a way that makes it nearly impossible for them to pull an action like this again--OR--even if they revoke v1a, but give nearly everything that was in v1a, plus some new content, in v2, making it irrevocable, I would say most people would come back to D&D 5e / One D&D. I don't know about most, but certainly many of those expressing anger and disappointment are people who WANT to play D&D, who want to create for D&D, and who want to enrich their game with third-party content for D&D. That where the emotion comes from for many people. Sure, some just don't like WotC or even D&D and enjoy piling on, but that isn't "basically everyone." Many people may leave D&D for some new system published under the ORCL and never look back, but that won't be "basically everyone."

 

[Micah Sweet]

It's not really a "boycott" if you're still playing the game and attracting new players to that game.

That's like boycotting McDonalds but still eating at the restaurant if someone else pays.

Absolutely not. It's using material I paid for before the company I bought it from decided to be terrible to me. I was going to buy Dragonlance, maybe Planescape, maybe even 6e if there was something in there my players wanted to use. Now I have chosen not to, and would encourage others to do the same. They get nothing more from me.

 

[Micah Sweet]

The junior high I work at started a D&D club this year, and already had enough people for three tables by mid-October.
Every year, new kids become old enough to watch Stranger Things or Critical Role for the first time. And WotC is working hard to attract new young players to the "brand" hoping they'll eventually start playing, with and multiple books aimed at young readers (1 2 3 4).

Which is probably why they want to push the 1.2 OGL so hard. They want to be this family friendly game that attracts young teens to the game, and don't want that jeopardized by offensive or needlessly adult products with "D&D compatible" slapped on the front.

Why do you keep insisting that anyone had the ability to say that their product was, "D&D compatible" under the 1.0a? They don't, and they never have.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Fiiiiiiine.
"Compatible with the Fifth Edition of the Word's Oldest/ Best/ Most Popular Roleplaying game."

I'm sure not actually mentioning "D&D" but just using the same rules and being sold alongside the D&D books will placate upset parents, who are always the most rational individuals in society.

Where are these upset parents, and what product are they upset about? Show me any example of this made-up, hypothetical problem.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I answered it. I get the downsides of doing so, but I think it's better for them to get that negative feedback on the critical issues, because at least they can then see that if they don't budge or can't budge, this isn't going to work.

Why do you keep insisting that anyone had the ability to say that their product was, "D&D compatible" under the 1.0a? They don't, and they never have.

Yeah that's a bizarre claim.

You don't actually need the OGL at all to say that, and you're at just as much of a legal risk (which is to say, a small but appreciable one) by saying it either in or out of the OGL.

 

[MNblockhead]

Fiiiiiiine.
"Compatible with the Fifth Edition of the Word's Oldest/ Best/ Most Popular Roleplaying game."

I'm sure not actually mentioning "D&D" but just using the same rules and being sold alongside the D&D books will placate upset parents, who are always the most rational individuals in society.

This really doesn't have anything to do with upset parents. Most parents are going to buy the games from Amazon, a major retailer, or get their kids a D&D Beyond subscription.

This morality clause is coming from social media pressure from existing fandom who want WotC to use its weight to prevent content they find objectionable, oblivious to the fact that the content they like or create may fall victim to an even bigger mob, government, or other interest group that can pressure WotC to invoke section 6f of the the OGL 1.2.

The "not hateful content or conduct" provision makes the new gaming license not open. If there is no pre-review procedure (and why would WotC want to take on that cost), I would have to think twice before making a significant investment of time and money to publish under it. Get rid of the badges, get rid of section 6f, or keep it in OGL 1.2 but also leave the OGL 1a alone and make it clear that its irrevocable.

 

[mamba]

Honestly, I don't see it as much of a hurdle for Foundry other than the loss of revenue from 5E users

which is quite a big hurdle though, isn’t it?

 

[Xyxox]

which is quite a big hurdle though, isn’t it?

Maybe, it depends on where people decide to go. The foundry revenue stream is a one shot deal. They may get more from refugees that move to Pathfinder, it's hard to say. Since many people playing 5E on Foundry already paid, they may move over to Pathfinder as it is supported by the VTT tool they currently use.