D&D (2024) Does anyone else think that 1D&D will create a significant divide in the community?

[mamba]

again showing that you can take sections of one to replace those sections of the others but you can't just use both books... aka (IMO) not compatable... not any more then 1e/2e or 3e/3,5... and most likely not any more or less then every d200 game since 200 with each othe

you consistently fail to see the point everyone else is making and that is trivial to make (because everyone else posting comes to the same conclusion on this).

1) You use the class independent rules from one edition
2) You lift the class in its entirety from 2014 or 2024 into the same game. So a class from the 2014 book uses 2014 subclasses, spells, feats, etc.

The fact that you can use a 2014 class alongside a 2024 class in a 2024 game means the two are compatible.

Of course you do not have two exhaustion rules, one for 2014 chars and one for 2024 chars. That you even bring this up and claim that this shows incompatibility just shows that you fundamentally misunderstand what compatibility is.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Sure, which is why it might not be a dealbreaker for me (to play at tables where I had that level of rules control) if the 2024 game offered things I really liked. Heck, I would probably be happy just adding up the total number of spells I can prepare at all levels and preparing that many, no need to even import a 2014 element.

But, as is, OneD&D is shaping up to offer nothing I really like near well enough to justify putting up with the things I dislike, so even one endemic thing I despise makes it a hard pass for me.

And even just being a wash isn't good enough to persuade me to buy new books and, more importantly, spend numerous hours confused about slightly, arbitrarily different rules rather than playing by rules I have already mastered. And frankly OneD&D just looks like a shoddy, unappealing product to me, and I anticipate there being other 5e clones available by 2024 with actual selling points, rather than just D&D branding.

Yeah, that's a big part of the problem for me too. I don't see any selling points worth spending $150-200 over. Not even close.

 

[mamba]

and THAT is all I hhave been saying for months... that is how MOST not just 50 or 60% but closer to 90% of tables will run... one or the other not both, maybe one with a smattering of 'house rules' porting from the other... NOT BOTH

agreed, but what a table does for simplicity has no bearing on whether the two are compatible. It does however mean that compatibility is not as important and WotC focuses on it a bit too much (i.e. stay compatible with the adventures and the power-levels and leave it at that)

 

[Micah Sweet]

I have a Beyond account. I have only used it to d/l free materials like the play tests. I don't use it for playing the game and haven't spent any money there.

I bought the Spelljammer monsters, but immediately copied them into an offline file.

 

[Micah Sweet]

they said they are increasing the power of monsters more and more at higher levels

Fair enough. Wouldn't that affect the compatibility of 5e adventures with 6e PCs? In a good way to my mind, but still an incompatibility.

 

[mamba]

Fair enough. Wouldn't that affect the compatibility of 5e adventures with 6e PCs? In a good way to my mind, but still an incompatibility.

That would be a matter of how much that power increases I guess. It seems to be consensus that the higher CR monsters are too weak in 5e, so they could fix this even within 5e by releasing an updated MM and not create incompatibility.

The one thing it does not do is update the module specific monsters so they too have that power increase they arguably always should have had to begin with.

 

[mamba]

Yeah, that's a big part of the problem for me too. I don't see any selling points worth spending $150-200 over. Not even close.

Yep, but I think I want the new MM anyway and am curious about the new DMG too. So this comes down from $150-200 to a difference of $40 or so on Amazon...

 

[GMforPowergamers]

you consistently fail to see the point everyone else is making and that is trivial to make (because everyone else posting comes to the same conclusion on this).

not everyone... there are plenty that agree with mme, but they do get shouted dowwn thread after thread...

maybe that 'trivial' to you change is something others find an issue.

1) You use the class independent rules from one edition
2) You lift the class in its entirety from 2014 or 2024 into the same game. So a class from the 2014 book uses 2014 subclasses, spells, feats, etc.

The fact that you can use a 2014 class alongside a 2024 class in a 2024 game means the two are compatible.

except you can;t JUST... you need to house rule conditions, feats, races to go with that house rule "you can use this class from this older edition"

Of course you do not have two exhaustion rules, one for 2014 chars and one for 2024 chars. That you even bring this up and claim that this shows incompatibility just shows that you fundamentally misunderstand what compatibility is.

no... YOU misunderstand the argument... a portion of the book can be removed from the book and with minor work dropped into the other... but the books as a whole do NOT work together. they don't build off each other, they are not compatible.


I am going to try to go to the wackiest extreme here to show what I mean...

I take the 2e wizard... just the class not the races not the languages not the stats just the class... and say I want to drop it into 5e (2014 or 2024) BUT I want to keep the 2e spells...but I will relent to the 5e (again your choice 2014 or 2024) ones
what work does this need... I get d4s for HD, that isn't a big deal, I get more spells per day and I have to prep to slot that isn't a big deal...now the class itself doesn't have a prof progression but the levels in 5e does so just my level is my prof...I have prof in no armor but in a selection of weapons (I think it's 1 at 1st level and 1 more every 4 or 5 levels... maybe it started with 2)
now skills is a bit odd, but I get these things called non weapon profs and I start with 2 or 3 and get one like every three levels so we just call those skills and toll profs and done.

now we get going and I say "I know we said I would keep the current spells, BUT can I have just a few from my book, I want 2e magic missle" I can easy enough it's an auto hit 1d4+1 that scales as I level... that can be dropped in fine.
we get to 5th level (although I am suprised I made it with no cantrips and d4s for hd) and I ask again "Hey remember how you let me take MM from 2e, can I take 2e lightning bolt as well?" and it's not much of an issue slight change of size, and teh increasing d6s... of course the reason I want it is to rebound it off walls... but maybe you are cool with that.

Same campaign, another player asks if they can play a 4e sword mage... this requires a bit of work but not much, again we just plop in the generic 5e prof, we change the def prof to a save prof of those two options and we hit the ground running... they have cantrip atwills and encounter recharge and daily recharge abilities... some of them (ones that target defense's just need to be changed too make a savee vs one of the two stats... you can write that up at each level up and be done... he doesn't need spells or spell slots he can just take the a/e/d/u from the phb of his class with those minor modifications...

same campaign another player says he wants to play a JEDI... now thise seems like it should be SO much harder... but not really like the swordmage above we jsut give them teh force abilities, and change the ref/fort/will saves to dex con and wis saves and some slight skill tweeking and we can do that... the light saber building thing is a bit op but not really, and like both of the above we just give the standard 5e prf... NOW this one gets intresting on if you let them get ther extra attacks or not, but even that can be smoothed over,,,

so 6 players and you the DM sit down to play (again your choice 2014 phb or 2024 phb) and you have 3 characters with characters 100% out of the book and 1 useing a 2e book and 1 useing the d20 starwars book and 1 useing the 4e book... and it's not a big deal.

it is still an exception for how must games will run and I doubt many people would say 2e, 4e, 5e (either version) and starwars d20 are compatible...

 

[Micah Sweet]

you consistently fail to see the point everyone else is making and that is trivial to make (because everyone else posting comes to the same conclusion on this).

1) You use the class independent rules from one edition
2) You lift the class in its entirety from 2014 or 2024 into the same game. So a class from the 2014 book uses 2014 subclasses, spells, feats, etc.

The fact that you can use a 2014 class alongside a 2024 class in a 2024 game means the two are compatible.

Of course you do not have two exhaustion rules, one for 2014 chars and one for 2024 chars. That you even bring this up and claim that this shows incompatibility just shows that you fundamentally misunderstand what compatibility is.

I hardly think "everyone else" is on the same page re: compatibility as you are.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

agreed, but what a table does for simplicity has no bearing on whether the two are compatible.

hard disagree

It does however mean that compatibility is not as important and WotC focuses on it a bit too much (i.e. stay compatible with the adventures and the power-levels and leave it at that)